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To ADS or not to ADS

Let’s come to some understandings. An ADS does not create length gains at all unless your a newbie. What an ADS does do is prevent loses. Between hanging sessions is when the body tries to correct damage. When it is given enough time to heal completely it will cause the damaged part, (in this case ligaments) to return to it’s normal length. If that wasn’t so anytime we sprained an ankle we would end up with very loose joints. That doesn’t happen because the last phase of a three phase healing cycle is a shortening of damaged ligaments back to their original length. An ADS if worn during this last phase will solidify the extended condition what ever that may be. It won’t be the length of the penis with the ADS on but will be the length of the penis at whatever it was after the last hanging session.

There are crimps on the sides of ligaments. These crimps give the ligs the ability to retract the penis in cold weather and at other times like during urination. These crimps when kept in an extended state then place stress on the damaged portion of the ligs that occurred during heavy hanging. That stress usually needs to be in the 2 pound range to offset the crimps capabilities to retract. Now if you able to hang everyday without fail an ADS is probably not necessary because you will be keeping the micro tears open and reopened often enough that healing won’t be able to complete a cycle in a retracted state, however I believe in erroring on the side of caution and using an ADS between sessions so there is no chance of a sneak healing. You see the healing cycle is different with everyone. If your young and have a vigorous immune system your healing cycle could be as short as 24 hours. For others it might be outwards of 100 hours. Whatever it is, it is necessary to continuously create damage that will allow extension of the ligs and other tissues for gains to occur within that cycle. Allow that cycle to finish and you’ve strengthened the tissues and the only coice you will have will be to increase hanging weight. If you don’t then further strengthening will occure. The object is to stay ahead of the healing cycles.


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d_sut…you keep asking the questions I want to hear answers to but alas, none are forthcoming!

I wear the jes-extender. Been using it for almost a year now, 10 months consistent. Wear it for 4-8 hours a day, 5 days a week. My current routine is; Jes in the morning for 1-3 hours, wet jelq 90 strokes 3-5sec each, stretch SO and inverted V-stretches at different intensities for 10-20min then put the jes back on for the remaining day/evening. My results are 1,5cm NBPEL-gain so far. Update on NBPEL,BPEL and BPFSL on the 16th. I firmly believe the ADS helped with my gains.

I only thing I do forlengtht is wear my ads and I wear it between 2-3 hours a everyday as I stated in a previous post.I had my ads now for about 4 months and I have the tension at about 1500gr.My flaccidlengtht is stretched out to my erectlengtht which is 8 inches. The problem with new wearers of ads is that it is very uncomfortable to wear. I would recommend for them to start off with 20 or 30 minute sets fgor a total of 2-4 hours a day to condition their dicks. After a few months time wearing it for an hour or more at a time while increasing the tension slowly should not be a problem.

Wow a few responces since I last looked, I aint no expert but I will try and answer all your questions.

Originally Posted by JES-Extender

By the way, here’s my following questions:
Q1: Whats the difference between hanging with a BIB-hanger and stretching with an ADS?
Q2: Which is causing fastest gains, by most people?
Q3: Hanging is all about shorter and fewer sets and not all day long like with ADS?
Q4: Do you think the results would be best if I used both methods?

A1 Depending on weight nothing or everything, the bib can handle good weight, ADS are usually low tension.
A2 Not something I can answer but I have chosen the hanging method, considering ADS
A3 IS this a question or a statement? It is true hanging is normally shorter, due to constraints with privacy and time etc. ADS are the opposite, they should be convenient and comfortable hence can be worn for a long time.
A4 I’m thinking yes, although I’m not a big fan of the whole gain a load from stretching ligs statement, I’m more of the growth by continued tension in a controllable damage time.

Hope this helps

Hold on I’ll answer the others shortly.


"If your not growing your dying"

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

Originally Posted by shintaro

d_sut…you keep asking the questions I want to hear answers to but alas, none are forthcoming!

It’s turning into a running joke between the two of us now. This shit is funny.


d_sutuous

Originally Posted by d_sut

Now my own question: Is any of this shit even necessary in the first place if your cock is not turtling anymore? Someone answer me this!

A: I’m not sure, people go on about lig shortening but I’m not convinced. My feeling is no, having a clue how the body repairs muscles, but then would our muscles grow quicker if we had some sought of continued stress on them?. Sorry not much of an answer more of another question, but hope this helps.


"If your not growing your dying"

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

IMHO, there are a couple of factors which might be worthy of consideration…

Firstly, from the muscle growth example. Lift weights, get bigger muscles. Note that in order to develop muscle, i.e. stronger, =more fibres, =bulkier, you have to apply a force through a distance. In other words, if you had a one-ton barbell and simply squatted there straining to lift it every day, you virtually wouldn't develop muscle at all. Muscle growth occurs during the exercise, i.e. whilst the muscle is exerting force during contraction (=motion). The growth doesn't somehow magically occur afterwards whilst you’re resting. Yes I know the penis isn’t a muscle, but the same fundamental principle applies: it ‘grows’ during the period that force (=growing impetus) is applied, not when resting afterwards. In a sense, then, this is an argument in favour of ADS; the only reason why I don’t think ADS will have much/any impact on erect length is because the force is insufficient to impart much/any growing impetus.

Secondly, the dental corrective brace. I had one many years ago. Use was simple, if uncomfortable - insert in position, tighten the adjuster, then tighten in half-a-turn every day and wear for six months. The key factor in this example is the fact that you mustn't take it out at all for more than a few minutes in every 24hrs. The dentist explained that even if I only wore it 23/24 it would take TWICE as long to achieve the same amount of tooth deflection. 22/24 and the duration would stretch to infinity.

All of which leads me back to what I’d already opined - that an ADS is virtually ineffective in propagating/stimulating actual growth unless worn virtually 24/7 for several months, and at a force sufficient to cause actual deformation, or close to it. That’s not to say, however, that it isn’t effective at preventing loss of gains.

And, incidentally, I’m very dubious about the ‘controlled micro-tears’ theory - other than of the skin during the period in which a pregnant mother’s belly distends rapidly (and well all know what the end result of that is).

Good topic and interesting discussions tho, keep the hypotheses coming!

K.


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K, thanks for your input it makes interesting reading especially the teeth and braces comment.

I however think it is a fact that growth occurs during rest, the damage (if you want to call it that) happens when you workout. your body can not grow new penis fibres in 1 20 minute hanging session or 4 or 10 for that matter only when you get to hours and hours of hanging does this give the body enough time to start healing, hence the idea of ADS, I guess, it is likely to be repairing fully during sleep.

Anyone else have experiences with or without ADS


"If your not growing your dying"

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

Monty, you have some very interesting thoughts and feel this is the standard most Pers think, but let me throw a spanner in the works if I may.

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Originally Posted by Monty530

Originally Posted by Monty530
What an ADS does do is prevent loses. Between hanging sessions is when the body tries to correct damage. When it is given enough time to heal completely it will cause the damaged part, (in this case ligaments) to return to it’s normal length.

My question would be to that statement, what if we are not going for lig lengthening? we all try and focus on fatigue of the ligs, why? As I have mentioned before I think small gains this way is the only gains from ligs.(same gains as from surgery) What if we didn’t’t focus on the ligs but the complete opposite! trying not to hit the ligs putting all the strain on the rest of the shaft, if you stop those ligs getting a GOOD workout then surely there is more strain on the part we want to grow? IMO this is where the real gains possible from PE are. Those tribes men don’t get a 17 inch flaccid by stretching their ligs for example, 10 inches! it just doesn’t make sense, you only have to look at the penis anatomy to see the suspensory ligaments potential, this make sense, to me anyway.

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Originally Posted by Monty530

Originally Posted by Monty530
If that wasn’t so anytime we sprained an ankle we would end up with very loose joints.

That is in fact exactly what happens. Why do people continue to suffer sprained ankles , or crutia ligament damage while playing football for example? They heal weaker, never stronger. Hands up those who know someone who have retired from a sport due to a stretched ligament? I know someone who had to stop football and have an op on his knee due to the ligament not holding his knee and connecting bones, (Tibia, Fibulas and the Femur) in place. My friend continues to sprain his ankle at the slightest things.

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Originally Posted by Monty530

Originally Posted by Monty530
That doesn’t happen because the last phase of a three phase healing cycle is a shortening of damaged ligaments back to their original length. An ADS if worn during this last phase will solidify the extended condition what ever that may be. It won’t be the length of the penis with the ADS on but will be the length of the penis at whatever it was after the last hanging session.

I hang heavier than any ADS so this would not be the case for me and many others I feel, and even if I did wear an ADS its not directly hitting the ligs with that kind of weight or angle. I can see the point after surgery because it has been cut and wants to heal, regardless of where it reconnects.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monty530

Originally Posted by Monty530
Now if you able to hang everyday without fail an ADS is probably not necessary because you will be keeping the micro tears open and reopened often enough that healing won’t be able to complete a cycle in a retracted state, however I believe in erroring on the side of caution and using an ADS between sessions so there is no chance of a sneak healing.

This is my routine and I agree with this, this is why I would ultimately wear an ADS.

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Originally Posted by Monty530

Originally Posted by Monty530
The object is to stay ahead of the healing cycles.

I’m not sure if this is the case IMO either. Do you train chest and biceps on Monday and then again on Tuesday and then again on Wednesday etc etc..? NO. My thoughts on this, if your going for initial lig length then I think it would be beneficial to keep it under strain as much as possible, if any ADS do this I would use it. (not sure if they do myself) If your going for the slower process of gaining more penis through the healing of micro tears then shouldn’t we let them heal? If we train it hard then let it rest for a short while, the body starts to heal, before you know it we are tearing apart the new bridges the body has made? You all with me so far? How can this be beneficial? Remember I don’t believe that ligs give that much length if any. I hang every day up til now but I am considering this everyday, with the possible chance of me cutting down to hanging three times weekly, with good nutrition in between. (I’m talking trying to promote growth (protein, vitamins) not a low fat fad diet keeping the weight down nutrition)

Bottom line I’m not convinced ADS are of any benefit but I’m not here to change your beliefs but to play devils advocate.

What do you all think?

P.s. on topic any more “To ADS or not to ADS” comments/experiences, what about some of the vets?

All appreciated.


"If your not growing your dying"

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

So is an ADS ineffective without hanging?


"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom."

This is what we are trying to find out, it seems they are the corner stone of almost every ones PE routine, why hasn’t more people got an opinion on them, are there just a lot of sheep following the herd in here?

If you use an ADS you must have an opinion, if you don’t then either you don’t know about them, (unlikely if you are her) or you choose not to wear one for what ever reason. These reasons for and against is what this thread is about, come one you vet ADS users/non users, lets have your thoughts.


"If your not growing your dying"

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

I am pretty new to this, and have been adapting my routine gradually. From what I have read I was planning to start with an ADS, either weights or traction, as an addendum after working out, to keep from “losing” gains. I really am not looking forward to adding hanging as another lengthy PE exercise. I am most interested in using an ADS without hanging if anyone has any anecdotes.

Thanks!


"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom."

That’s the point, do they work or are you wasting your time, the precious info the other ADS and non ADS wearers have is very valuable to those who are non decided or who use them already.

my initial questions I feel need to be answered, here they are again

Q: Do you use an ADS?
Q: If yes which one?
Q: If yes for how long?
Q: If yes what is your routine?
Q: If yes what are your results?
Q: Do you think the ADS helped with gains

Q: If no why not?
Q: If no have you ever?
Q: If no what is your routine?
Q: If no what are your results?
Q: If no would you consider an ADS?

anyone?


"If your not growing your dying"

"That which does not kill you only makes you stronger"

Originally Posted by keraunophile
Secondly, the dental corrective brace. I had one many years ago. Use was simple, if uncomfortable - insert in position, tighten the adjuster, then tighten in half-a-turn every day and wear for six months. The key factor in this example is the fact that you mustn't take it out at all for more than a few minutes in every 24hrs. The dentist explained that even if I only wore it 23/24 it would take TWICE as long to achieve the same amount of tooth deflection. 22/24 and the duration would stretch to infinity.

Keraunophile, judging by your avatar, it would seem your dental brace was, um, somwehat unsuccessful (?)

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