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Reasons people don't gain

I subscribe Sparkix tougths.

I do agree that a balance between rest and PE is crucial. However there are several guys who have been hanging hardcore day in day out without breaks and have made terrific gains.

I’d therefor suggest that the balance does not only change person to person but also highly depends on what kind of exercises you are doing.

Good point sparkyx. I was sitting around thinking of how principles of Body-building could apply to PE. I know that the Penis is a completely different muscle but some principles absolutely match up with each other. That is with Body-Building and PE. For example. In body-building if you consistently do Full squats, Leg press, Hack Squats and incline Dumb-bell presses and eat right. (Hence I said EAT RIGHT) It is impossible for you not to gain. Seriously I have tested it with no-gainers in the gym. They started gaining. I think there are some principles with PE that will force the Penis to grow no matter what. Although it could take alot of time. Westsidetoni is an example of this, The thread I stated above. I think if the no-gainers did what he did, They would definately gain.

Originally Posted by Gentle Giant
I do agree that a balance between rest and PE is crucial. However there are several guys who have been hanging hardcore day in day out without breaks and have made terrific gains.
I’d therefor suggest that the balance does not only change person to person but also highly depends on what kind of exercises you are doing.

I think the “balance” varies tremendously from guy to guy, and perhaps even changes with the same guy depending on age, rest, nutrition etc.

Yes, it depends on the FORCES AND TIME used, and that changes with exercises and the way each guy does those exercises.

That said, each guy has to STILL find that proper stimulus to rest ratio for him and the exercises used. That is why its is critical to monitor your physiologic responses…there is no other way to find the correct ratio.

Originally Posted by gone620
Good point sparkyx. I was sitting around thinking of how principles of Body-building could apply to PE. I know that the Penis is a completely different muscle but some principles absolutely match up with each other. That is with Body-Building and PE. For example. In body-building if you consistently do Full squats, Leg press, Hack Squats and incline Dumb-bell presses and eat right. (Hence I said EAT RIGHT) It is impossible for you not to gain. Seriously I have tested it with no-gainers in the gym. They started gaining. I think there are some principles with PE that will force the Penis to grow no matter what. Although it could take alot of time. Westsidetoni is an example of this, The thread I stated above. I think if the no-gainers did what he did, They would definately gain.

I think its a big mistake to think you can “force” your dick to grow. Many have tried when nothing else was working, and most fail.

I think for some guys that haven’t been using enough force, then by upping it considerably, they had success. But it was because they hadn’t been using enough force, so upping it was the answer.

There are many guys that aren’t growing because they are already using too much force, so for them, if they up it even more…disaster results.

So, rather than promoting the concept of “forcing” the penis to grow, I promote, “listening” to your penis or “reading” the signs it is giving. I think this gives the average guy a much greater and safer course to gains.

In your above example, what if he wasn’t gaining because he was doing 20 sets of squats, hacks, dead lifts and then 5 different chest exercises? He wasn’t gaining because he was DOING TOO MUCH! If you added more, he would get in deeper decline. HOWEVER, if you got him to take 2 weeks off and start back with one forth of that routine, he would gain like crazy!

Its the same with PE, there is no magic number or exercise, the magic lies in finding the proper amount or RATIO for you!

What I meant was there is a way for the penis to Grow, Whether your doing to much Or to little. And you are absolutely right about the 20 sets of stuff. That is way over-kill, and doing that much will actually stop 95% of people from putting on muscle mass. What I was getting at is there is a way for everyone to gain. They just have to find out what it is.

Sparkyx has the right idea almost and I’m afraid it might lead some people into trouble. I think it is a fact that if you over stress your going to cause a form of rebellion which will manifest itself as shortening (rather then gaining). On the surface for the moment your only going to experience an inability to gain. You can see your way through this condition with an ADS faithfully applied but when you come out on the other side of this abusive routine a guy needs to lighten up on his routine and find that sweet spot of weight to time ratio.

For many getting away from the giving in to impatience and backing off a little will produce steady gains where more weight produces negative results and (here comes the rub) if you allow time to elapse when there has been trauma induced the result will be toughening. The body will protect itself. Packing on the cologne is what will happen. An increase in weight is the only answer and the next thing you know your weights are up in the 20’s and 30’s. I think that is a dead end street and is unnecessary if you don’t allow healing time to elapse. For this reason I think is the major cause of many who can not gain. Their healing cycle is very short and so therefore takes much more diligence to routine consistency. In their case hours of layoff time become the enemy. The only solution then is 2 fold: 1: slow down the healing cycles by application of healing impeding chemicals (like aspirin) or wait until your older and your immune system slows down somewhat. If you can maintain a steady routine cycle and healing impediment then you will see gains.

Now having said all that this is not an all encompassing philosophy. There are those whose toughness from the outset can not be overcome. For those pulling trains or semi’s with your dick is the only satisfaction your going to have or perhaps someone will come up with a pineapple tenderizing cream that will allow tissues to relax. :D


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

I think that there are a lot more men who could get gains from doing PE than there are who do get gains from doing PE.

I think overdoing it is number one.

I think there may be some that cannot gain, but very few.


Sept. 4, '07: BPEL 6.875 inches, EG widest 5.25

Goal: Double digits

For those who are doing a a LOT of work and are not gaining and have weaker erections and smaller measurements, I challenge you guys to the following:

1 - Take a minimum of 2 days off - using a rice sock for as many minutes during the day, at night, whenever
2 - After the 2 days off, limit PE to piss pulls, 5 minutes of dry jelqs in the AM, in the bathroom at lunch, afternoon break, early evening and then before bed
3 - After the last set of jelqs in the evening, spend some time doing BTC stretches
4 - Edge every day to gauge the erection quality for 10-15 minutes using warm olive oil
5 - Follow steps 2-5 for 3-4 days

I can almost guarantee that if over-training is the issue, this will allow recovery.


06/21/07 NBP = 7.75(tape) FSL = 7.875 EG = 5.00 Volume= 15.42

09/13/07 NBP = 8.375 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.38 Volume = 19.29 (+25%)

12/26/07 NBP = 8.625 FSL = 8.75 EG = 5.50 Volume = 20.82 (+35%)

I really Agree with Monty in reguards to gaining length. You don’t want to over-do it, but want to create micro-tears, keep it out with an ADS so it heals in an enlarged state and keep doing that. So your lengthening Tearing, Healing longer. Healed, Repeat. Personally so far in my hanging routine which I believe is to be working, My goal on my off days is to Hang until I reach fatigue which is 5 pounds. Then trying to ride the lower weight as long as I can, And use an ADS when not hanging. Thats just me though.

It seems to me that over the years the entire philosophy of PE has changed and (in my opinion) has resulted in disappointment for many men. Gone are the days of ‘stretching’ collagenous tissue and the terms, micro-tears and plastic deformation. Now attempting to ‘grow’ your penis through the right balance of exercise and rest is in fashion and the terms over-training, rest days, decon breaks, negative PI’s and IPR are in vogue.


Then (4.5 nbpel x 4.75 mseg)

Now (5.625 nbpel, x 5.25 mseg)

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Monty, I missed where we disagree. Which part of my post did you feel is off?


The only thing I was taking issue with was the rest periods that allow healing in a digressed or retracted condition. Depending on how may hours of time is needed for any particular person to go through their individual healing cycle will determine when and how much collagen is deposited on the damaged ligaments. If enough collagen is applied the person will realize a plateau.

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I think your right. The faddishness of PE is a big negative but without some of it we wouldn’t see some great improvements like wantsmore's fulcrums or for that matter Monkeybar's vac system. Then look at what has happened to clamping. Many of these innovations are helpful but like you intimated they come along with poor ideas and misleading conceptions.

All these things need to be held up to the light of common sense and discernment. I talked to a gentleman today who was an Engineer and was overwhelmed with the amount of data available. As I told him: We just have to wade through this stuff some how and come out with what works and tell others about it. Unfortunately there is no filtering system to tell us what works and what is BS. I tend to come from a mechanical point of view applied to the biological model. It’s worked for me but that doesn’t guarantee anyone else’s success.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

I agree with Sparkyx. I believe anyone can gain if they learn to read there dick. Paying close attention to PI’s. Avoiding the routines that weaken your erection. Weak erections indicate an a lack of ability to grow it. After all PE is suppose to improve erections. So if your willie gets a headache it is time to decondition for awhile.

Nutrition and exercise I believe also play more than a major role in penis growth. Stress and lack of sleep hinders it.


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Originally Posted by Monty530
The only thing I was taking issue with was the rest periods that allow healing in a digressed or retracted condition. Depending on how may hours of time is needed for any particular person to go through their individual healing cycle will determine when and how much collagen is deposited on the damaged ligaments. If enough collagen is applied the person will realize a plateau.

I don’t think we have a disagreement on this issue. I believe stress/recovery is a continuum.

Very mild stress will need very little or no recovery time, such as a static stretching routine.

On the other hand, heavy hanging may need several days of rest to recover. AND because you have actually caused irritation to the tissues, you probably will get contraction if not put under some mild stress such as ADS to prevent it. ( I have always backed your approach on this, and have often recommended your approach to those that wish to hang.)

As you go up the force continuum, it will have significantly different effects on the soft tissue. I think at the lower ends of force, you can actually stimulate “growth” with very little inflammation. At the higher ends, you get far more. And everything in between.

So, the way you “rest” will change depending on the tissue insult. I fully agree with ADS or ADC for higher levels of force. However, I still believe that you must STILL find the right ratio of stress to recovery, just how the rest is APPLIED changes with force levels.

The old style of hanging heavy for tissue damage then recovery is time proven. However daily jelquing at much lower levels of force, is also time proven, as is other low force approaches.

As you have stated, I think the draw back of higher forces, is a much greater tendency to accumulate scar tissue (collagen) which will cause plateauing that will require extensive time off (decon) to allow further gains.

I have always thought you really have been able to get the best out of hanging with the least negatives, precisely BECAUSE you are able to limit inflammation, and get the most out of relatively moderate wts.

My theories are just an attempt at providing a type of unified theory that will allow you to improve your chances of success no matter which approach you choose.

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