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Q4L's 3 Year PE Anniversary - Still no gains to report

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Count me in with the no-gainers, I’ve read and tried nearly everything.

It’s all force and time. Time under load and time off. If you are not growing at all and are putting the time in then it’s force. I am not going to rule out hanging for instance till I get over 20 lbs. Also I will not write off clamping or water pumping for making gains until my total time goes above an hour as there is no safe way to increase the force. I will be adjusting my rest days to ensure maximum growth.

Look up olf/olr for an interesting read.

Originally Posted by lack of size

Ok but does anyone have a real answer?

I think quik4life’s comment about never having experienced fatigue is telling.


Jelq my boy, jelq like the wind.

Originally Posted by Klayton

I think quik4life’s comment about never having experienced fatigue is telling.

What exactly does fatigue feel like? I still haven’t understood it

Originally Posted by lack of size

What exactly does fatigue feel like? I still haven’t understood it

Soreness, but short of pain.


Jelq my boy, jelq like the wind.

Originally Posted by Klayton

Soreness, but short of pain.

Do you mean like the soreness you get in your muscles a day after working out?

Originally Posted by lack of size
Do you mean like the soreness you get in your muscles a day after working out?

No, for me it’s not the same feeling as muscle soreness. It’s a sort of subtle dull ache (not so subtle in the case of hanging or overworking with other exercises). This is one of things like an orgasm: it you’re not sure if you’ve experienced it then you probably haven’t.


Starting (May 2010): BPEL:6" EG: 4 7/8". Current (April 2011): BPEL: 6 3/4" EG: 5 1/4".

Short Term Goal: BPEL: 7" EG: 5.25" Long Term Goal: When my wife makes me stop or 8"x6" (whichever comes first)

I find the fatigue thing quite interesting, after a year and a half of pumping even pushing the pressure i hadn’t felt it,

Now after 3 clamping sessions i definitely have LOL,

I hope this is a good sign.

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