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Q4L's 3 Year PE Anniversary - Still no gains to report

quik4life,

I want you to gain. But I think the main problem is in your head.

Originally Posted by mark001
May I ask you if you use some cream or oil after your PE to heal the bruises?

No, I just leave them for a day, they are mostly gone by then.

Originally Posted by quik4life
I will never give up. And it’s good to see people are keeping an eye on me…haha. Seriously. It’s actually inspiring.

Unfortunately, I started to smoke weed again near the beginning of December. The weed led to me being really lazy and even made me super depressed.

Dammit q4!


Sept. 4, '07: BPEL 6.875 inches, EG widest 5.25

Goal: Double digits

I love weed, but psychologically it will enhance any depressed inclinations you have, it will also make you lazy. Try to curb your smoking to a few times during the weekend only.

Originally Posted by Equine Rooster
Dammit q4!


I know…sorry Equine. You’ve been a BIG help and I feel as though I let you down, which is why I didn’t PM you. But I’m proud to say that I’m back on track. I’m doing some light stretches everyday and am jelqing on Mon/Wed/Fri. And by jelqing, I’m talking about 20-25 long/slow jelqs…MAX!! No more. It sounds like nothing, but that is what seems to work for me. I just gotta stick to it.

I’ve also reduced ejaculation to about once a week. Using Kevin12’s advice, I try to make sure I get an erection at least once a day. This helps bring fresh blood to my unit and keeps my libido up. Masturbating, or even edging, longer than 10 to 15 minutes puts unnecessary strain on my unit, which leads to longer recovery times.


The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.

~Oscar Wilde~

Originally Posted by quik4life
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My Plea

My brain is on PE overload. I’m depressed and I’m…tired. I created this thread for a couple of reasons. For one, I wanted to ensure Newbies that although I haven’t gained, that PE is REAL. Secondly, I need advice and encouragement. I think I’m reaching rock bottom with PE and feel as though I only have a couple “cycles” in me left before I completely give up. There is only so much time a logical person can put into something and not be getting any results from, right? So, should I go back to the Newbie Routine? Should I do an exclusive stretching routine? Unfortunately I don’t have the privacy to hang or pump anymore. Or, should I just give up entirely? WHAT SHOULD I DO?!?!

Q4L

PS - This has been a very difficult post for me to write. I know this post may come across as discouraging toward Newbies or even intermediate PEers who are struggling with gains. That’s not what this post was set out to accomplish. I just wanted a post that culminated my 3 years of PE, and to include my frustrations, thoughts and feelings toward my past and future PE journey.

I have a personal theory that I’m yet to put in to practice, due to lazyness and the ability to execute it at work (clothing and so on)
I believe you need some kind of ADS, something pulling upwards against the tunica (not the skin) much like this:
http://www.foreskinrestore.com/images/nighth4.jpg

You need that, must be pulling on the whole cock, not just the foreskin.

See the foreskin restoring crowd all seem to be successful, it’s just a case of patience.
They are following the theory same as expanding ear ring holes, just slow and gradual stretching.

I want to emphasize to you, because you’re obviously becoming desperate and annoyed, that I haven’t done this and there’s people here with far more knowledge than I have.
None the less, this is my theory - a good, upwards ADS used for a very long time, you can clamp, fiddle, stretch, pull, play, twist and turn all you like in your spare time for girth but I believe that will give you long term gains with patience.

I do not believe in pulling down with an ADS, I found it caused some kind of light nerve damage for a week and scared me shitless, I don’t want my ligs ruined, you need an upwards angle on your cock to make a girl cum anyhow, it’s important.

Don’t give up and finally be sure you’re measuring consistently, always bone pressed and try to get it to the exact MM.
Good luck, I hope to check on this thread in 6 months and hear of some small gains.

Q4Life, I’ve happened upon your threads tonight and have read pretty much all of them. Seems you’ve tried almost every routine out there and every suggestion. I’d probably have nothing to add that you haven’t already but I think it’s good that towards the latter of your posting you were paying attention to KP, Equine, Sparky and the others. I believe we all have a common bond as to shaping a routine that works best for you.

But with that said, here’s some suggestions:

I highly believe that it’s the little things that you do that will help you grow. Much like making a movie or writing a song, it’s all the little things that you do that add up to the whole. So, I suggest, doing the little things on top of your routine. Here’s a few:

- Have a big glass of water 20-30 minutes before you jelq. (Will keep your unit plumper and push more blood)
- Have a glass of water before bed. (Same rationale…except the pushing of blood.
- Eat Ginko pills on days that EQ is bad…you want to prevent the turtle
- Stretch every now and then. Nothing intense…just enough to make things not get too small
- Research the other supplements you can take. KP talks about AKG (spelling) and other things. Ginko works in short spurts for me. So cycling it with other supplement should help.
- Heat.
- Edging. Don’t underestimate the power of a good edging session. I think my girth gains from the edging. I mean I plumped that sucker up to the most it could get and then I did some Uli’s. Man, I blasted that thing…but not too much and not more than 2x a week.
- Days off. Equine, who I think is a master of knowledge, would throw in 2-4 day random breaks. You want a squishy spongy unit. Listening to yourself is so vital. I sometimes think it doesn’t really matter how much you jelq but just listening to your own body is key…and if you can PE when you’re most horny…even better. Maybe you have a low sex drive and just want to PE 2x a week. Then do that. Have a great routine where you’re massaging your unit and jelqing it and making it as big as it can possibly get. F the hottest girl you know in your head and make it even bigger. Now blast that load out and do it again when the sex drive kicks back in. The key here is, you’re not thinking about it so much and now PE is fun and very sexual too.
- Basically just think less about this and stick to a routine of less is more no matter how much you want to do more…cause when you start doing more, your unit is going to get tough very quickly and not grow at all.

That’s all I can think of for now. Do your Uli’s 1-2x a week. No more than 2 or 3 holds of 10 seconds each session. Remember keep that unit plump and your gains should follow. And I don’t find any problem with ejaculating after edging sessions…shouldn’t hurt.

btw, have you had any gains since you last posted?

Thank you for that post, Kevin12. Really. I needed that bit of encouragement.

Much of the advice that you provided in the last post has already been incorporated into my current PE routine. I am keeping things very, very light. I truly believe that it’s the small things that will lead up to the big picture. I have been trying to stay as hydrated as possible, as I have noticed that it does help with flaccid hang. However, I try to avoid drinking too much before bed because I find that when morning comes, I really have to urinate and it negatively affects my morning erections. As far as supplements go, I have been taking a multivitamin, L-Arginine, Gingko, Ginseng and ZMA. I have also been running on the treadmill 5 times a week and will soon be including some sort of weight routine too.

Since my routine is super light (30-40 wet jelqs followed by 5 minutes of stretching) I only take about 2 days off per week. I have been doing 30 second helicopter stretches after every washroom break as well. As for now, I am staying away from any Uli type of exercises. On my days off, I usually edge/ejaculate, but otherwise leave it completely alone. I truly believe that PE should be a sexually stimulating activity. If I am depressed or my libido is down, I know that my PE routine suffers because of it. Therefore, one cannot work without the other.

Edging. Ahhh…how I love edging. I mean, I love porn and if there’s an exercise that allows me to watch porn while benefiting the health and growth of my penis, well heck, that’s just grand!! I try to limit my edging sessions to a maximum of 15 mins and only try to do it about 3-4 times per week. I only ejaculate twice a week as I find going slightly overboard tires out my unit and my libido. If I don’t ejaculate at all, or edge too much, negative PIs become evident (smaller, tighter flaccid).

I have been on this very basic routine for almost 4 or 5 months now, but haven’t officially measured anything. And don’t plan to either. I think it will make me extremely depressed to find out that all this hard work (which seems to be working) isn’t actually working. My unit does feel girthier and slightly longer when I hold it in my hands, however, I don’t plan to measure with a ruler until I KNOW that I have made gains; this way, the ruler will actually act as a tool of encouragement. I think that by the end of summer, I should be able to report a gain of at least 0.25”.


The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.

~Oscar Wilde~

Awesome, that sounds very good. Stay on that routine and don’t overdo it. Your 5 minutes of stretching could even be too much…I only do a couple of minutes for my exercises and very spuratically 30-60 seconds throughout the day. If you’re turtling more it could be because of your stretching time. A lot of guys can stretch for long periods and some can’t…you may fall into the can’t category. I also may be thinking your edging too much at 3-4x per week. You strike me, from what I read, as someone with a lower libido. You may benefit from edging just 1-2x per week. This would in turn make you hornier and erections easier to come by. If your jacking off by force all the time it takes the lure and fun out of just randomly getting excited. Yes, I feel a less is more campaign may be right for you.

I wouldn’t stack all those supplement at one time. I’d space them out. Cycle them so your always in a happy zone. I think the key is to just enjoy yourself and don’t do so much. Any amount you do now is still more than you did before you started PE…but upping the intensity over time may be smart or counter productive as to what I read about your person.

And yes, no need to measure. Who cares, just keep going, it appears you have a more fun routine now than you did over the last 3 years. So just jack off and picture f’n hot ass chicks while you jelq. You’ll be more happy, then get a gf, and your erections will be even more frequent. But I’d look into doing a Uli or 2 a week…no more than 5-10 seconds. But you know yourself more than I do.

quik4life,hang on and your determination will pay off!
There are many people here willing to help you – I’m one of them.

We don’t know scientifically how PE works for gainers, but from a practical point of view things are simple: one that does the proper routine gains. A simple logic concludes that one who does not gain doesn’t do the proper routine! As we all know, proper routine means different things for each of us. quik4life, I’m convinced that there is a proper routine still waiting for you, but I think you are a bit stubborn. Determination is good, stubbornness is not.

- You feel that some exercises are good for you, others not. Your feelings may deceive you. Only the results you achieve are relevant.
- You think less-is-more works for you. Maybe you are wrong.
- You are rooting for light routines. Many people make this convenient advice – go slowly and light – it is safe, but may be a complete waste of time for you. Time has proven it.

The routine that makes you gain is different from what you are doing – otherwise you should have gained in those years! I mean what you are doing and how you are doing it.
de-von already pointed it out, but seems that you don’t want to hear it: you need more intensity in your workout! Long duration at low intensity does not equal a high intensity shorter workout. They are different things. There is a critical intensity you must reach in order to have some effect. Ask a bodybuilder how much time you need to make your biceps grow working with a ½ pound weight. Infinity! The same goes for PE. If your routine is lighter than the stress level needed by your unit, nothing happens except waste of time and disillusion.
You mentioned you can’t do a decent stretch. I think high intensity stretching should be a main part of your routine. I know you are reluctant about what I said because I feel we have a totally different view on your PE experience.

Let’s make a deal:
You mentioned you expect results till the end of summer. I’m on a kind of plateau post beginner gains and right now changing my workout for higher intensity. If at the beginning of September you have no significant gains (but I wish you have!) and I have, then try to forget everything you thought you know about PE and we’ll talk about some real changes!


Starting BPEL: 6.9" (Dec.1st, 2008)

Current BPEL: 8.11" NBPEL: 7.63" BPFSL: 9.09"

Current MEG : 5.6"

Doesn’t matter cause world war 3 is coming in 4 years or less. The president of Iran starts World War 3, Mohammed Ajmedinehjad, so even if you do get a big dick, we don’t have much time.
We will have a choice to either take 666 digits on our foreheads and live for 7 more years, or be beheaded, I’m taking the beheading.

So don’t get too depressed about having an average dick, I’m the same trying to grow, this thread makes me fucking depressed, just because I know how it feels! I wasted an entire year hanging with a Bib hanger and gaining 0!! I also over trained before that with manual stretches and jelqing, over an hour each session at least, possibly a year, gained not much, but I never followed the newbie routine.
Try pulling up more, are you using gloves? How’s your grip?
Your too fucking close too give up, your an average dick man, just don’t obsess over this PE if it’s not working.

Actually this thread makes me nauteous, it makes me think PE doesn’t work and that 4 months down the line on my routine I may be the same size.
There is so many damn members, some mother forum person would have to be creating different users.

Someone could do that, create all these different users, and say oh yea I’ve gained, but why would someone do that!

If that is the case I hope they all get what they deserve from God, and get thrown in the lake of fire.
If not and it works haha donation!
I mean peoples time is worth there sanity, I’m pessimistically optimistic, but at 5.3”EL or whatever I am, I know that a cock is for making a baby, I’m in this for getting my true love, but that may not happen, and will have to hold on til I die, and just say this is what god gave me, god gave me this, god has control of my life.
Quik maybe you’ll meet a girl that is ok with average and loves you, thats all you need, love, not blowing your load.

Don’t worry Quik this won’t be an issue in heaven. Will we even have penises?

How would all these different users log in at the same time etc.
Hang on my brother, when Iran hits, you know it’s soon and PE means NOTHING!


Last edited by pauly891 : 07-01-2009 at .

Originally Posted by pauly891
Actually this thread makes me nauteous, it makes me think PE doesn’t work and that 4 months down the line on my routine I may be the same size.
There is so many damn members, some mother forum person would have to be creating different users.

Someone could do that, create all these different users, and say oh yea I’ve gained, but why would someone do that!

If that is the case I hope they all get what they deserve from God, and get thrown in the lake of fire.
If not and it works haha donation!
I mean peoples time is worth there sanity, I’m pessimistically optimistic, but at 5.3”EL or whatever I am, I know that a cock is for making a baby, I’m in this for getting my true love, but that may not happen, and will have to hold on til I die, and just say this is what god gave me, god gave me this, god has control of my life.
Quik maybe you’ll meet a girl that is ok with average and loves you, thats all you need, love, not blowing your load.

Don’t worry Quik this won’t be an issue in heaven. Will we even have penises?

How would all these different users log in at the same time etc.
Hang on my brother, when Iran hits, you know it’s soon and PE means NOTHING!


Bump. I actually feel bad for Pauly. Read this post and the one before. This guy is knee deep in depression and needs help. He also is watching to much Armageddon week on History channel. If you do read this Pauly, I can assure you that PE does work. Some guys need to do more then others to gain. Hang in there. I used to think the world might end to, but that’s a bunch a bullshit.


Starting stats: Feb 08: [7.3 BPEL * 4.9? EG]----Now: [8.00 BPEL * 5.1-5.2 EG]------GOAL: [8 NBPEL * 6 EG]

Perception is reality.

Originally Posted by cervixhunter

Let’s make a deal:

You mentioned you expect results till the end of summer. I’m on a kind of plateau post beginner gains and right now changing my workout for higher intensity. If at the beginning of September you have no significant gains (but I wish you have!) and I have, then try to forget everything you thought you know about PE and we’ll talk about some real changes!

After reading this whole thread, I’m dying to know whether Q4L has gains to report! Especially as a hard gainer myself, I am very interested to see if his recent routine has been working.

Q4L,

Maybe I just didn’t have the time or patience today to read through everything, but from what I have read you do not hang? Man, I’m in no way trying to rub your face in it, but I bet if you got yourself a Bib you would see gains. I gained an inch in 4 months - all from hanging. Fill me in if I’ve overlooked the obvious like an injury or something that doesn’t permit you to hang.


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

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