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Bib's LOT Theory

Tugback is a word created by Bib to describe the movement of the penis seen when you perform a Kegel while holding the penis at different angles corresponding to the hours on a clock.

See: Bib’s LOT Theory 101 and Locating the bc muscle

I wish I had a clue what any of this meant.. : (

Not much, as it turns out. Bib thought he had a way of determining future success with different angles of hanging. His theory isn’t really able to predict much, if anything. Don’t worry about measuring your LOT. Just follow the Newbie Routine and be consistent in your workouts.

My pull back seems to only decrease rapidly at 6.30… Does this mean I can’t gain from stretching!!! :( (( How should I hang or should I not even bother?

Hi to all

My LOT is 6:00

I am circumcised but have loose skin over my shaft, what routine I should adopt to gain lengths. I will be grateful for an encouraging response.

With best wishes I am


Last edited by sunshinekid : 03-12-2008 at . Reason: Removal of email address

delectric and young1horse,

Don’t worry about your LOT. LOT is an esoteric and most likely flawed concept and has nothing to do with penis growth. Just do the newbie routine and be consistent. Forget you ever read this thread.


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Thanks modestoman that’s the first time I’ve heard that I’m going to keep hang then and just stretch up with the Jess and modified auto extender head attach.

I recommend stretching in all directions. It’s important to stretch down at least some of the time because the lig fibers actually blend into the top surface of the shaft. Stretching the ligs therefore targets the top surface (dorsal thickening) of the tunica. Stretching up targets the interior parts of your shaft and especially (I think) the ventral thickening of the tunica. I think you need to stretch all of it to see uniform growth.

Hey, maybe that can actually be presented as a hypothesis. Really, this is more along the lines of a wild assed guess, presented as food for thought:

Stretching up targets the ventral thickening; stretching down targets the dorsal thickening. Spending all your time stretching up causes disproportionate growth along the bottom surface of the tunica. Spending all your time stretching down causes disporportionate growth along the top surface of the tunica.

Wouldn’t it be a bitch of that disproportionate growth along the bottom raised LOT, whereas disporportionate growth along the top decreased it? That would actually agree with the predictions of Bib’s LOT Theory, although for a reason different from the one that Bib gave.

If my hypothesis is correct (and I’m not saying it is), all that LOT would tell you is whether you are taking a balanced approach to PE. If your LOT is dropping, perhaps the top is growing faster than the bottom and it’s time to stretch up. If LOT is rising, the situation is reversed and it’s time to stretch down.

I’m seeing a new model here (I hope not a new simulator!), where the penis is represented as two cords. A first cord extends from the pubic symphysis to the glans and represents the dorsal thickening. A second cord extends from the pelvis (ischiopubic ramus) to the glans. The second chord is actually two cords, one for each CC, but we can think of it as one. LOT is then determined, in part, as the ratio of these two lengths (adjusting for offsets).

If there’s any validity to this idea (and I’m not saying there is), then LOT could be useful to gauge progress but would say nothing about one’s potential for gains. A person’s starting LOT, at the beginning of PE, would probably be a useless concept, except as far as it would form a baseline for tracking uniform growth as time goes by.


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By the way, I think the simulator is probably fine the way it is, since it already shows the two “cords” I talk about above. The first cord is the outer penis and the ligs taken together. The second cord is the inner penis and the outer penis, taken together. It’s not simple to adjust them independently, but the model still gives an accurate visual.


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I do not find a point where tug back stops at all… I can se movement all around the clock! Why me, Lord?


Never ever a turtle again...

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I’m seeing a new model here (I hope not a new simulator!), where the penis is represented as two cords. A first cord extends from the pubic symphysis to the glans and represents the dorsal thickening. A second cord extends from the pelvis (ischiopubic ramus) to the glans. The second chord is actually two cords, one for each CC, but we can think of it as one. LOT is then determined, in part, as the ratio of these two lengths (adjusting for offsets).

Correct me if I’m wrong because it is late and I’m digging through my rusty memory (perhaps I will search tomorrow and confirm?) but I believe that the whole purpose of Bib’s LOT theory in the beginning was to allow you to measure which portion of your penis was holding you back and should be focused upon. I believe he invented some other exercise which revolved around palpating the ligs and pubic bone to determine ‘inner penis’ but I could be making that up.

I think you’re right on both counts, Antistar. But the problem as I see it is that LOT is actually a very poor indicator of what’s holding you back. The best way to discover your “limiting factors” is just to feel around when you’re stretching to find which structures are tight. I think most guys don’t even need to feel around; they can tell just by the sensory feedback they get from their tissues.

If you haven’t already seen them, I hope you’ll check out the LOT Simulator and the Testing LOT Theory thread. I think Bib was on the right track with his talk of limiting factors and using palpation to find them. But I think he went off course when he tried to distill all that useful diagnostic information into a single number called LOT.

I didn’t mean to suggest above that people should start paying attention to LOT again. Palpation and sensory feedback are the way to go. And there is no basis whatsoever, that I can see, for believing that one’s LOT has anything to do with one’s potential for gains.


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I think Bib was on the right track with his talk of limiting factors and using palpation to find them.

The “limiting factors” approach is the basis of my PE program: I even gave up hanging for manual PE so that I could follow a program based on a “Limiting Factor” approach. I really believe that it is the secret to continuing gains for PE veterans.

GM

I’m sorry but I am totally lost with what you guys are talking about. What is LOT and tugback?

Originally Posted by b1gd11
I’m sorry but I am totally lost with what you guys are talking about. What is LOT and tugback?

Forget about LOT.

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