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10 Tips for PE

Originally Posted by Aftershock
I read from matutinal_euphonys post -10 Tips for PE- that it’s a simple fact that ejaculation releases prolactin which signals your body to stop fueling your cock.

Could matutinal_euphony , elaborate on the length of time, prolactin is higher than “normal” after orgasm? Does that correlate with the length of the refreactory period(my guess) ?


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I’m no expert on the science, but my understanding is that the prolactin’s effects are tantamount to the refractory period. In other words, if you take medication that removes prolactin from the equation, the refractory period also disappears.


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Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
I’m no expert on the science, but my understanding is that the prolactin’s effects are tantamount to the refractory period. In other words, if you take medication that removes prolactin from the equation, the refractory period also disappears.

So if one’s refractory period is short and this may correlate with the prolactin action, why do you think this has detrimental effects on penis health,given it’s short action?


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Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
I think it’s very important to have the reigns over your ejaculate. One interesting aspect is that women will practically worship you if they cannot make you ejaculate (ie. deflate your manhood). That isn’t exactly what motivates me, but it might be an interesting idea for someone out there to entertain. With all of that said, it is true that you can build up a level of sexual energy that is burdensome. At that point it is very easy to release…

I have found that this is not so. Women want to be able to please you. Maybe it’s because the ride isn’t over, with me, when I cum, but I find that cumming a lasrge volume of spunk turns women on and that women can feel deflated, as deflated as a guy in a similar situation, if they can’t make you cum eventually.

Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
I think it’s very important to have the reigns over your ejaculate.


This can certainly be true…to a point.

However, ejaculation is not the enemy and the body does actually need to do this from time to time, which is why if you completely refrain you will likely have a wet dream after about three weeks to a month.

Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
One interesting aspect is that women will practically worship you if they cannot make you ejaculate (ie. deflate your manhood).


This is possibly true, depending on the woman.

While many women will be happy if you can refrain from losing your erection until they have orgasm-ed (especially more than once), but be warned: some women actually get angry if you withhold ejaculating. It can make them feel like they’ve failed.

There is no single neat little box you put this in.

Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
AVOID EJACULATING. Next day, I am telling you no lie my friends, the very next day my cock was in fine condition and actually operating as well or better than it normally does. Case in point: ejaculating is more detirmental to penis health than pumping at very high intensity, on the verge of popping or exploding your penis


And this last point is bizarre and retarded.

I’m sorry, matutinal_euphony, when I posted earlier I thought you were talking about something that is counter-intuitive, but has a good basis.

When you take this to the theoretical extreme that you have above, then you lose me.

What’s true is: semen costs the body a great deal to produce. This cost is more, well, costly as we age. So a teenager can get away with bouts of ejaculating five times a day whereas a man in his fifties would have a much harder time with that - and would likely see what we call negative PI’s if he happened to go hog wild one day.

I think there is merit to each of your ten steps that you outlined at the beginning of this thread, including the idea that ejaculation is not the same as orgasm and we should maybe limit ejaculating to some degree. There is a sound basis for this thinking.

I DO NOT agree that one should recommend or suggest that anyone spend three hours pumping at about 12 HG’s routinely or any other practice that starts to head toward such an extreme. And you should re-think such things too.

The idea that ejaculating is worse for you than doing this is utter horseshit.

I think, or at least hope, you’ve been around here long enough to know better.


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Originally Posted by alin

So if one’s refractory period is short and this may correlate with the prolactin action, why do you think this has detrimental effects on penis health,given it’s short action?

If your refractory period is short you don’t need to worry about anything, do ya?


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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

I DO NOT agree that one should recommend or suggest that anyone spend three hours pumping at about 12 HG’s routinely or any other practice that starts to head toward such an extreme. And you should re-think such things too.

I think this is the third time I’ve mentioned that that is not what I meant! I even asked that a moderator edit that out to make sure no newbies get the wrong idea. I was merely trying to say that in an isolated incident I happened to pump to the extreme, and I decided to withhold ejaculation to help me survive all the damage. Low and behold, avoiding ejaculation helped me recover practically over night. For the record, I advocate pumping for about 20-30 minutes at 3-4 HG and never higher than 5 HG. I actually said this exact same thing here yesterday! But seriously, I promote safety in PE!!


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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

While many women will be happy if you can refrain from losing your erection until they have orgasm-ed (especially more than once), but be warned: some women actually get angry if you withhold ejaculating. It can make them feel like they’ve failed.

This is true, more often than not. If you don’t believe me, (us), ask a sexually active girl “friend”. A major part of of sex is mutual satisfaction. ( right? )

How many guys here are frustrated because their SO’s or wives don’t orgasm? No matter the number, the issue is still the same. ( “am I doing something wrong?” or “maybe I’m not attractive to her”, “maybe I’m not good in bed”, etc etc )

The preceding “quotes” are generally how BOTH sexes feel if their partner doesn’t orgasm. This has been my experience for sure.


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Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
I think this is the third time I’ve mentioned that that is not what I meant! I even asked that a moderator edit that out to make sure no newbies get the wrong idea. I was merely trying to say that in an isolated incident I happened to pump to the extreme, and I decided to withhold ejaculation to help me survive all the damage. Low and behold, avoiding ejaculation helped me recover practically over night. For the record, I advocate pumping for about 20-30 minutes at 3-4 HG and never higher than 5 HG. I actually said this exact same thing here yesterday! But seriously, I promote safety in PE!!


We don’t typically sanitize threads, which is why the comment is left standing.

I read a lot threads here (when my internet connection co-operates), so I cover a lot of ground and don’t always read every post. So, I miss stuff. I think a lot folks do. There a quite a number of posts on this site at this point.

Given that, I don’t think it’s so bad that you’re on record clarifying that comment a few times - in a way I don’t think you can say it enough.

Originally Posted by alin
So if one’s refractory period is short and this may correlate with the prolactin action, why do you think this has detrimental effects on penis health,given it’s short action?


Our refractory period is affected by many things, our overall health being primary (diet, physical fitness level, etc.), and our age. As we age it is natural and normal for the refractory period to lengthen.

Refraining from ejaculating does seem to have an effect on this process. However, one should not get the idea that prolactin’s action in our bodies is in any way unhealthy, it is part of the design (intelligent or otherwise).

As intelligent beings we have options on how we handle these things, diet, behavior, etc., but, like PE itself, there is a limit to how much we can manipulate our bodies and remain healthy.

It’s sort of like steriods or taking drugs, or what-have-you; we can see temporary effects, even benefits, but the essential functions of our bodies ultimately trump our ability to manipulate them and if you ignore your body it will send you signals that are basically nature’s way of saying that it’s not nice to fool with it.

So it then becomes a question of how to strike a balance between what is healthy in terms of our goals and how we arrive at them and what is going too far.

If we take body-building as an example, it’s true: we can accomplish great things with systematic application of diet an exercise - but how far do you want to go? If you treat your body solely as a biological machine you’ll find that while you can push its limits there is point where the limits will be reached. Supplements can work miracles, steroids can maybe even take you farther - though there is a cost.

So, at what point are you working against your body to put it in service of your demands of it? There’s a tipping point, you know?

With PE I think people get overly caught-up in the ability to make change and forget that we are working with living tissue on the only body that we’ve got.

Don’t make this mistake.

While it’s true that you can lessen your refractory period by taking cabergoline, for example, there are side effects…particularly if your use is ongoing. Ultimately I think that short-term you can perform like superman and long term you’ll find that the cons outweigh the pros.

All of this is to say this is why I like the Taoist approach to some of the things addressed in this thread. The central conceit does not fight nature, it works within it.

So, for an example, the idea that the pumping was somehow kept in check by a lack of ejaculation is, at best, an anecodotal example. My suspicion is there were other things at play and it’s hard for me to buy that this lack of ejaculation was central to the somewhat miraculous results that Mr. euphony is attributing them to.

That said, The Multi-Orgasmic Man deals with some of the tenets that Mr. euphony is grappling with on this thread, and my own experience tells me that it definitely can work.

I suspect, though, that is because the approach is time-tested and balanced (more so than some of the theoretical stuff I’ve read here).


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Originally Posted by Acid Jazz
This is true, more often than not. If you don’t believe me, (us), ask a sexually active girl “friend”. A major part of of sex is mutual satisfaction. ( right? )

How many guys here are frustrated because their SO’s or wives don’t orgasm? No matter the number, the issue is still the same. ( “am I doing something wrong?” or “maybe I’m not attractive to her”, “maybe I’m not good in bed”, etc etc )

The preceding “quotes” are generally how BOTH sexes feel if their partner doesn’t orgasm. This has been my experience for sure.


Well, the bottomline has got to be that everyone is an individual and enjoys various different things. With that said, you’ve got to understand, the idea is not to give the impression that you didn’t enjoy what happened. You compare it to a woman not getting off— this is very different because I actually enjoy deep levels of orgasmic pleasure throughout the sexual experience, which could include some full-body vibration that is impossible to not notice. But I can imagine if you did things a certain way it could be misunderstood as not getting pleasure out of it. However, if you practice non-ejaculation the right way, you won’t offend any woman. She’ll be wrapped up in her own experience when she’s losing her mind to the sex (ie. not freaking out about getting you satisfied).


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Last edited by matutinal_euphony : 06-15-2010 at .

Mr. Happy, you’ve got a solid thinker on your shoulders mate. Thanks for the balanced and informed comments!


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Great advise.

This is great advise & will take into account starting today.

Lmbjless

Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
Mr. Happy, you’ve got a solid thinker on your shoulders mate. Thanks for the balanced and informed comments!


I have been reviewing your posts and, more often than not, I can say the same about you.

I just get concerned when you go out on a limb. We all do it from time to time of course, it’s only human; we get caught up in our own excitement or some such.

In my view, the basis for this thread is very sound.

I just get concerned - particularly for our less experienced and younger members - when more extreme points are raised casually or anecdotaly.

We have to be on the look out for that, you know?

On a site like this it’s not so unusual for folks to get cocky (so to speak :) ), and go beyond reasonable and, most importantly, safe limits.


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