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10 Tips for PE

Originally Posted by westla90069
Like most of the others I agree it’s a good list, except for number one.

Telling people that 3 hours of pumping at 12 mm Hg is beneficial is eventually going to cause some newbie to injure himself.

And your absolute certainty about the ejaculation thing is amazing since no one has ever done a valid study on the subject.

One of your points is “know the anatomy.” I’d also suggest knowing the physiology. Mystical Ki stuff aside, please explain physiologically how ejaculation negates gains made by PE exercises. How does the normal contraction of the penile tissues after ejaculation “ruin” a session?


Here’s my theory: As I’ve mentioned before, the penis builds up pressure with Nitric Oxide as it establishes an erection. This pressure aids in reproduction because it causes the penis to penetrate deeply (engaging the cervix etc), and ultimately it allows the penis to EJECT semen. Now, once this pressure is relieved and the ejaculate enters the woman, the biological function has been satisfied. However, if you do not ejaculate, that pressure will literally remain and build upon itself over time. That’s all I can offer given the fact that I am a non-Science major.

I will admit that if you build up too much of this sexual energy, you may feel that you cannot harness all of it and you need to blow a load. I just did that yesterday myself. :-)

If any of the moderators want to edit my original post and take out the bit about how I pumped so irresponsibly, perhaps just inserting a bit that “I had an extreme pumping session.” it won’t bother me at all!

I would LOVE to conduct an experiment with 10-15 guys on these forums to establish a clear indicator of whether there is any objective merit to all of this.


Recognize.

Originally Posted by sta-kool
For what it is worth on the days I ejaculate after PE, 75% of the time my flaccid stays nice and big and heavier than when I don’t ejaculate.

I am not actively pumping now, but if I pump about 5hg, my EQ goes to hell. If I stay between 3.0 and 3.5 I get great expansion and great erections.

Maybe this 12HG works for you, but when I read the pumpers forum it does not appear to work for many people. One of the vets:

gprent - Soft when I exit pump


ATTENTION! I am a huge fan of pumping at 3-4 HG and no higher, certainly no higher than 5 HG. I was merely trying to point out that by avoiding ejaculation, I was able to maintain enough pressure in my dick for it to hang in there for me after such a severe beating. I have never pumped like that before, and I don’t know what possessed me, but I feel like maybe it was supposed to happen on that isolated occasion.


Recognize.

I agree with a few points, and disagree with a few. I usually don’t like when people state their own experiences as facts that apply to everyone, since we’re all very individual. Other than that, good effort :) .


"You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts."

I think a lot of you guys are just defending your reality. Trust me, I’ve been where you are.


Recognize.

No, I’m just pointing out that people are so ejaculation-oriented that when I suggest there might be another way they become very defensive! Of course everyone has the God-given right to choose for themselves!


Recognize.

Originally Posted by UpTo7
You’re in minority then.

Could be. My GFs have all thought so.

Originally Posted by westla90069
Like most of the others I agree it’s a good list, except for number one.

Telling people that 3 hours of pumping at 12 mm Hg is beneficial is eventually going to cause some newbie to injure himself.

And your absolute certainty about the ejaculation thing is amazing since no one has ever done a valid study on the subject.

One of your points is “know the anatomy.” I’d also suggest knowing the physiology. Mystical Ki stuff aside, please explain physiologically how ejaculation negates gains made by PE exercises. How does the normal contraction of the penile tissues after ejaculation “ruin” a session?

Good post.

Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
Here’s my theory: As I’ve mentioned before, the penis builds up pressure with Nitric Oxide as it establishes an erection. This pressure aids in reproduction because it causes the penis to penetrate deeply (engaging the cervix etc), and ultimately it allows the penis to EJECT semen. Now, once this pressure is relieved and the ejaculate enters the woman, the biological function has been satisfied. However, if you do not ejaculate, that pressure will literally remain and build upon itself over time. That’s all I can offer given the fact that I am a non-Science major.

OK. Well, this is part of knowing the anatomy and physiology.

I’m certain you don’t mean it this way, but just to be sure I’ll say that while nitric oxide is technically a gas, it doesn’t act like one in the body (gas pressure, etc.).

What it does do is trigger the relaxation of muscles in the walls of the tiny arteries within the penis. This allows blood to flow into the corpora cavernosa (CC) and expand them causing the erection. As more blood flows, more nitric oxide is released which helps maintain the erection. The force that causes the blood to flow is your normal blood pressure. Because the blood is trapped in an essentially closed space your blood pressure can keep the penis rigid as long as the small arteries are open due to the nitric oxide. The NO itself does not cause the pressure, it only helps maintain it by keeping the arteries open.

At ejaculation the penis becomes even more rigid due to contractions of the bulbocavernosus (also, and more appropriately, called the bulbospongiosus) muscle along with the ischiocavernosus muscles. The ejection of semen and this extra rigidity is due to muscular contractions triggered by the orgasm, not because of nitric oxide. Ejaculation also causes the release of numerous chemicals by the brain which stops the erection perhaps by interrupting the production of nitric oxide.

Maintaining an erection without ejaculation will keep the pressure in the CC high, but not any higher than your normal blood pressure and not as high as it is at ejaculation with the added pressure of the muscular contractions. This is the theory behind edging. Regardless of how long you maintain the erection once it’s gone so is the pressure. It does not “build up over time.”

I think there is some benefit to edging and keeping the CC expanded, but ending with ejaculation will not change or reduce those benefits (IMO).

Originally Posted by westla90069
I think there is some benefit to edging and keeping the CC expanded, but ending with ejaculation will not change or reduce those benefits (IMO).

Du you mean keeping the CC expanded tu full size? Like edging close to orgasm ? or just keeping a 60-70% erection for long time ?


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Overall i think the most helpful antagonists in this thread have been “UpTo7”, and “DevilKnight666”.
Both of their posts have valid points and I agree, the only 4 worth considering are 1,4,5, and 10.

Originally Posted by matutinal_euphony
I think a lot of you guys are just defending your reality. Trust me, I’ve been where you are.

You have not.
But I have likely been where you are.

It is my experience that it is not the ejaculation itself, but the glans/prepuce/coronal stimulation during orgasm that causes the large upswing in prolactin. As a young teen, I used to masturbate&ejaculate at least 3 times everyday(no exceptions), and would constantly apply stimulation/pressure/friction to the coronal ridge, prepuce, and glans during each orgasm. The erection would quickly subside after these types of orgasms, and the flaccid size, EQ and EF would stay noticably lower into the next day.

When i finally had intercourse and ejaculated while remaining somewhat still, without lots of friction/stimulation to the glans/prepuce/coronal ridge, my flaccid size/eq/ef stayed quite good after, and into the next day. I assumed everything from petty divine behavioral shaping to vaginal fluid absorbtion to other superstition. But after many years of not fully understanding the causal factor, I finally discovered it after a 3 week break from all ejaculation, but not an abstaining from erection, intercourse or masturbation. I ejaculated from masturbation for the first time after that 3 week period (having felt like I was on steroids for the last 12 days of it), and I, in an attempt to not ejaculate, went past the point of no return while holding only the base, no stroking to the head or near the head.

It felt like an orgasm, but not fully, the ejaculate volume was huge, and to my amazement, the erection didn’t subside at all, neither did the yearning to ejaculate. So I edged about 7 more times, and “came” 4 more times, each time not touching anywhere near the head during orgasm, and felt like I had discovered buried treasure, as the flaccid hang/eq/ef I had during the 3 week abstaining-from-ejaculating period stayed.

Since then it has been 5 years since I’ve ejaculated with this focused glans/prepuce/coronal/frenular stimulation, we always either remain still, or i do not touch during orgasm, and I ejaculate at least once daily for this 5 years, and my EQ/EF/flaccid size is as good as it was during this period of abstaining.

So let me re-iterate my point:
I have been where you are. you are free to get where I am. It is not the ejaculation itself, it is something more complex involving specific nerve sets sending and recieving signals to produce/secrete or not produce/not secrete prolactin and it’s accompanying factors in detumescence. I am quite sure further medical research will bear this out. These processes are very complex, and there is still much left to be understood of the many co-factors to erection and detumescence. We understand much of the surface cardiovascular factors of these processes, but are only just beginning to understand the greater minutia other bodily systems contribute to the processes. Not to mention the molecular factors between mitochondria and such. Our understanding of this topic is in it’s infancy.


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Last edited by 8 x 8 : 06-11-2010 at .

Originally Posted by alin

Du you mean keeping the CC expanded tu full size? Like edging close to orgasm ? or just keeping a 60-70% erection for long time ?

Expanded to full size with edging will keep pressure on the CC. Over time it seems to help with growth when done in conjunction with PE exercises like jelqing.

Originally Posted by 8 x 8

It felt like an orgasm, but not fully, the ejaculate volume was huge, and to my amazement, the erection didn’t subside at all, neither did the yearning to ejaculate. So I edged about 7 more times, and “came” 4 more times, each time not touching anywhere near the head during orgasm, and felt like I had discovered buried treasure, as the flaccid hang/eq/ef I had during the 3 week abstaining-from-ejaculating period stayed.

Avoiding glans stimulation is definitely one of the concepts of multiple male orgasm. We have a couple threads on it around here somewhere.

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