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Vacuum Pumping when you have ED; the short version, according to Avocet8

Originally Posted by Mike1958
This thread is one of my favorites and although it is focused on erectile dysfunction (ED) my comments are more about penile health and rehabilitation especially “the aging penis.”
There are lots of things that contribute to ED - for example: cardio vascular disease, diabetes, obesity, alcohol/drug consumption, depression, stress, etc. So my comments below are not intended to be a cure - I’m afraid ED is more complicated than that.

I believe there is benefit to both short and long cycles.

Short cycles are 30 seconds or less. Typical example is 6 seconds up to maximum vacuum of 5” Hg and 12 seconds down to a minimum of 2” Hg for a total cycle time of 18 seconds. Continue the cycles for 30-60 minutes. If any edema (lymph fluid) does not resolve within 12 hours then decrease total time and/or vacuum. Short cycles allow higher vacuum levels with less edema, therefore more expansion as well as mildly stressing the circulatory system.

Long cycles are 3-5 minutes. Typical example is pump up to 5” Hg, don’t pump any more unless vacuum falls below 2” Hg, continue for 5 minutes, exit the cylinder and perform a few jelqs/massage and repeat the process for 30-60 minutes. An option is to start with small cylinder (1.75”) then after a few cycles move to larger cylinder (2.0”). If any edema (lymph fluid) does not resolve within 12 hours then decrease total time and/or vacuum. Long cycles with intermittent manual manipulation (jelq)jelqing allow fresh blood to enter and lymph fluid to leave.

A good sign of improving erection quality (EQ) is the presence of nocturnal erections.

You are bang on about the nocturnal erections mate!


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Originally Posted by Mike1958
While there are a few published research studies on penile rehab, I have not found any that specifically address the amount of vacuum (inches Hg or mm Hg) nor the cycle time (pump time + hold time + release time). A contributing factor for this oversight is that medical penile rehab protocols recommend using a VED (vacuum erection device) which lack a gauge.

The study on Peyronie’s treatment with VED detailed a protocol of two 10 minute pumping sessions per day. In each session you would pump to erect, hold for three minutes then release, repeat for the duration of the session.


Starting Stats - 5.5 BPEL x 5.6 EG

Current Stats - 6.1 BPEL x 7.1 EG

Goal - 7 x 6 (with hopefully a large flaccid hang)

Lube

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
Geez Panos. ;) Quit getting so stingy with the lube. Goober that stuff all over your dick, then slather a ton of it into the first couple of inches in the tube. Get a hard on, or even a semi hard on and jack off using the tube (all in the name of science mind you) using your dick to push the lube further up in the tube.

I always liked the Wet water based formulas or J&J Baby Oil Gel, although the Gel is harder to clean out of the tube because it is oil based.

If you get a thin water based formula you can hold the tube like a glass, slightly tilted, and pour the lube into the tube and twirl it around a little.

I use food grade coconut oil. It works great and it’s good for your skin too. There has never been a problem getting a seal. I don’t bother lubing the tube because the lube on my penis is enough to counter any resistance. Coconut oil is relatively cheap. It can be bought at the market. It has many uses both for your body and for cooking.

Tube sizing

My penis when pumped fills a 2” tube, circumference wise. Should I move to a larger diameter tube? The length of the tube is fine since the length of my pumped penis is around 8” and the tube id 9”.

Originally Posted by Primemuscle
I use food grade coconut oil. It works great and it’s good for your skin too. There has never been a problem getting a seal. I don’t bother lubing the tube because the lube on my penis is enough to counter any resistance. Coconut oil is relatively cheap. It can be bought at the market. It has many uses both for your body and for cooking.

How easy is it to clean the cylinder afterwards when you use coconut oil? I tried olive oil the other day and whilst it was a really good lubricant it was more difficult to clean afterwards and left the cylinder looking murky even after I cleaned it.


07/10/14 - 6.5" BPEL - 5.5" MsEG

29/01/15 - 7" BPEL - 5.5" MsEG

12/10/17 - 7.4" BPEL - 5.6" MsEG

It is fairly easy to clean. A little dish soap and hot water will work. Occasionally, I’ll stuff a wash cloth in the tube, turning it around several times. After cleaning it, I rinse it well. In my opinion the tube doesn’t to be spotless, just cleared of any gunk.


If you believe in it, it will happen. ;)

It's not the Short Version...

…but you got the right idea(s)! During the 4 or more years that I’ve done PE, I have also dealt with serious ED. Every single thing I have done that is effective for PE, has also done a great job for minimizing ED. What it comes down to, is to simply exercise the hell out of that thing! Activity is the answer to penis health and performance. I have to say I am really happy with my results. In just a few words I have fashioned a larger well shaped penis that will stay super hard in my ladies’ vagina, and sometime with multiple orgasm. I have pretty much limited the exercises to mild pulling and stretching, forcing blood flow under pressure, and occasional pumping…nothing extreme but often! I have gone from BPEL of 6-1/4” to a good 7” plus. I add the plus because with a occasional Vardenafil 10mg, I can get a full 7-1/4” BPEL. I’m just loving that! There has been notable improvement in girth. At the base It is around 5.0 and tapering down to a lesser average shaft size. Then I’m proud of a much larger glans to lead the way. Blood under pressure really pumps that thing up. The lady can feel the glans spreading her organ, only to feel it again as the base girth spreads her again. She is loving it!

Originally Posted by Primemuscle
It is fairly easy to clean. A little dish soap and hot water will work. Occasionally, I’ll stuff a wash cloth in the tube, turning it around several times. After cleaning it, I rinse it well. In my opinion the tube doesn’t to be spotless, just cleared of any gunk.

Good advice thats basically how I do it

Hello from a newbie

Avocet8, your post is really helpful. I’ve just begun pumping with the Bathmate Hydromax. Today is the tail end of my second week of pumping. I’m not noticing any ED improvement … Yet. I am enjoying the feeling of the pump bringing fresh blood into areas that have been woefully neglected. What we don’t use we lose. I don’t plan to lose this!

Hi guys looking for some info/help
Just bought a tube and a vacuum pump with gauge hoping it will help. I have a form of ED.
I originally thought it was do to masturbating excessively to porn. I have stopped this but the more time that passes the more I think there is something else is a miss.
I can most of the time get wood but during sex it will go well before I can finish. Been putting up with this for 2 years with my girlfriend. It is frustrating as hell and has to stop.

I am hoping pumping will help. I have also started taking Zinc and Vitamin D (I work nights a lot so this might help in other ways).

Will the ED routine mentioned at the start of this help at all as there is no mention of this type of ED?

Cheers

weasle1uk:

Here are a few things that helped me greatly:

Stopped drinking alcohol:
newest submissions : stopdrinking
books by Annie Grace, Allen Carr, etc.

Stopped porn:
newest submissions : pornfree
not to be confused with the "nofap" movement.

Regular exercise:
Does not have to be extreme, just a simple hour long walk daily is enough.

Daily PE routine:
short-cycle pumping as described here.

Good Luck!

Hi Mike1958

I do not drink. Have not had a drink of alcohol in 13 years. Me and drink do not get on.
Stopped with porn about 3 weeks ago after reading up on PIED. Initially thought this was what was causing my issues.
I have a active job where I walk quite a bit but may hit the gym to see if that helps.
Going to try the short-cycle routine and see if that helps.

Cheers

Lots of guys report “flat line” after stopping porn - little to no arousal - it takes a few months to resolve. There is a lot of discussion regarding flat lining at the pornfree reddit and elsewhere online. Good Luck!

I apologize in advance if I’m missing something that already answers my question. I found this site trying to research pumping because of ED. I decided a couple of days ago that I would start with the Newbie Linear Routine and try to increase penis health and not worry about pumping for PE.

Today I’m wondering if I should also pump for the ED aspect until my erections get better and more frequent. I don’t have morning wood or random daily erections. I have to work to get an erection. I could hardly keep it hard enough to take a before shot when doing my stats! Embarrassing.

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I would like to add to what was said about ED and pumping. I had prostate cancer and after it’s removal getting hard isn’t an option. They suggest an internal pump but it wasn’t for me.
Anyways after a year or so I went to my urologist and told him my stuff was shrinking. He explained that if they don’t get blood they start to atrophy. The old use it or lose it. He went on to explain about pumping and how it gorges the penis with blood and feeds the cells. He said your penis doesn’t know why it just expects to be flooded with blood. He pretty much explained the schedule the way the other poster did. He even wrote a script for the tubes and pump and I had no problems with the insurance company. I used to be a thick 7 and have gotten all the girth back and the length is getting there. I also have sex sometimes after pumping, sliding a tight constricting band on before I release the tube. I forgot you need a lot of lube but you can do it.
Sorry about writing so much it just kept coming .

Chas

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