measure warning!

Jack_27,

I’ve had a lot of time to think. What if your life improved, where females where throwing themself at you, alot more money, people at your disposal. Somehow things down stairs get much harder, and thusly longer by 3/4” alone, with NO PE. Simply a change of state in mind. I believe its possible, and some that where bigger before PE, simply had more erection power and others where at a better state of mind to have that floppy flaciid.

I agree with you on this one. I never had newbie gains, and always have had great erections. When you look at what your stretching, a half an inch is one hell of a lot of gaining, or stretching.

Its all very true different positions offer different measurements. We should keep in mind different positions require different blood demands from your body. Standing would require more blood to be put to the rest of your body. I personally find that my penis is smallest when I’m lying down without my head up (the one with a brain in it). Standing and sitting should give approximately similar measurements provided your hard, and your body has adjusted to the standing position. But all that aside, we should always measure in the same position as was done originally. I always do it seated, in the same chair, and same position.

Newbie gains are fun and they are motivating. The trick is to keep the gains and make them permanent. Once that has been established then future gains will be stacked on top if the previous newbie gains. Some people see the difference others just fly on by not even noticing the entire process.

Now that I’ve thought about it, I take back what I said about not counting newbie gains and just chalking it up to better erections. Because when you think of it, you wouldn’t have those ‘increased erection newbie gains’ without PE, and you would for all intents and purposes, be stuck at whatever size you were. So I would count newbie gains as overall gains as well.

This of course, is without counting viagra measurements. I guess, if we want to go down that can of worms, I guess however bigger you are than your starting stats on viagra, is your gains. But I’d stick with whatever gains you have, regardless of if they are just the result of better erections or whatever, as your gains. Just makes sense.

Jack_27,

On average, what are you saying “viagra” or “cialis” erections gains are? I haven’t touched the compounds yet, but I’m hearing 1/2” length even.
Please comment.

Well many men, before they start PE, have bad quality erections. Say for example before PE, man has an erection quality rating of 6. If he measures his pre-stats then, then some would say those measurements would in a sense be suspect, because it is not his full potential. If however that man takes a Viagra pill, achieves a rock hard artificially made 10/10 erection, then some would count those measurements as his true starting-stats.

Personally, I think if you have to take viagra every time, that measurement shouldn’t be counted as your pre-pe stats, and you should instead measure your non-medicated erection. And I think whatever you gain from that, from PE, can be said to be gains, because you would otherwise in reality not have been able to achieve that size without using artificial means of Viagra and supplements. I guess.

Exercise will produce viagra like gains also. I’m not saying this is true for everyone. But when I’m exercising aerobically, my erections are much harder, and larger looking than when I’m in couch potato mode. However, the exercise gives me 110% as opposed to my normal 100%. I never have soft erections, but that little bit extra blood flow will make you look larger.

This is the reason that I dislike trying to measure in free air. There are just too many variables. And when you add in the effects of chemicals then you really don’t know where you are. Using V is like using steroids for athletics. It’s like a pump up that is effective but is false from reality. Who wants to go through life having to carry V with them and worry about the timing of when to take it so you’ll be ready when the time comes. What a rat race that would be. When it comes to PE what are your going to use for a baseline of reference? when your on V or not?

Exactly Monty. Pretty soon doctors will be making a killing helping men to rid themselves of Chemical Erection Addiction. I like the fact that I don’t need anything but myself and/or a woman to get a boner. Don’t mess with a good thing. I know you speak from experience. :D

Most people talking about EQ focus on increasing blood flow into the penis. But an erection is actually a two-stage process: increasing the size of the blood vessels flowing into the penis while also decreasing the size of the blood vessels leading out of the penis. How does the body simultaneously increase and decrease blood vessels? It’s because of a difference in the type of blood vessels. Viagra dilates one type of blood vessel, the type flowing into the penis, but it doesn’t dilate the type of blood vessel leading out of the penis. As far as I know, viagra doesn’t have any effect on vascular systems draining blood out of the penis. I sometimes wonder if an erection aid could be developed that would act on the vessels flowing out, and assist those veins in decreasing in size. Either on it’s own or in combination with viagra it could help erections by slowing the flow of blood out of the penis.

This is actually a fairly complex process. I tried reading an article on it once and it was a bit over my head. But I got the point that, whether you’re talking about the neurology or endocrinology or psychology or vascular functioning of getting and staying hard, it’s a complex and delicate balancing act that occurs in the body to get some blood vessels to increase while others decrease. Many on this site know that NO is beneficial in this process, which is why we stack L-Arginine, etc.

But I mention this less-discussed function, the decrease in size of the vessels leading out of the penis, to talk about how we may sometimes have variations in size of our erections.

Throughout my 20s I didn’t give much thought to my dick size one way or the other. It was working fine for the girls I was with. Totally a non-issue. I went through some periods of being very healthy. I had been in sports in high school, I was in the military, eating healthy and in good physical shape. Young, dumb and full of cum as they say. During that time I was physically fine and had a healthy sex drive but had some personality issues, insecure in some ways, not a real hot shot with the ladies, etc. And my EQ could be strong and healthy because I was strong but sometimes was weak because of psychological issues like lack of confidence or immaturity, etc.

Throughout my 20s I also went through a phase where I was really living an unhealthy lifestyle. Sex and drugs and rock and roll. Out of the military, less exercise, horrible sleeping and eating habits, drug and alcohol abuse, cigarettes, stressful dangerous situations, paranoia, etc. But I could also be pumped up with (false) confidence, cockiness, and a reckless attitude, and I was having more sex than when the other phase when I was in better physical health.

In my healthy phase, I may have struggled a little with EQ just because of lack of experience and confidence. But if the situation was just right psychologically, I could get one hell of a raging hard on.

In my party phase, I may have struggled a little with EQ for physical reasons, but not at all for lack of confidence and I was gaining experience, etc. But there is a way this all ties in with variations in size.

When I was healthy and achieved great erections, they seemed bigger, fuller, veinier, almost stretched out and even the skin seemed more puffed out. I was definitely fully erect, and the stiffness was strong and sustained. But if my erection could be compared to a flexed muscle, it would be like 90% - 95% of rock-hardness.

By comparison, when in my partying days, I could have good EQ or bad EQ. In the early days I could have very good EQ and after years of abuse the EQ decreased. During the early days of good EQ, the good erections were different than the good erections of my healthy days. While I wouldn’t say that my dick was actually smaller, it sure didn’t have that big, strong, puffed out veiny look. But at the same time, man could it ever get super rigid. Where the other one seemed like 95% stiff at most, this was like 105% stiff. It was very much that steel pole feeling.

My (very personal and un-scientific) theory is that during my unhealthy phase, I had caused a sort of shrinking and shriveling of much of my body tissues, muscles and vascular system, maybe even lungs and urinary tract, etc. According to this theory then, the vein carrying blood out of my penis also became smaller than normal. Between the drugs and paranoia and smoke rambling with losers and assholes, my dick was just turtling pretty much most of the time for a few years there. But if I got just a little jazzed up with some chick and got even a little blood flow into my dick I had pretty good EQ.

Into my 30s I got healthy, confident, into good relationships with good women, had a good sex life. EQ was decent enough. I noticed a return to that larger, more veiny and puffy looking erection. This was before PE was widely known, I didn’t know about it. While my dick size still wasn’t much of an issue for me, I did start becoming somewhat aware of it. I understand how perception can really play tricks with your mind, etc. But I am fairly confident that I have long considered my dick size and EQ with 20/20 hindsight and I’m pretty sure that the real size of my fully erect penis has varied.

In conclusion I am convinced that the actual size of my penis, the make up and volume of the tissue, the real size of my dick itself did get bigger during puberty, but then I DO NOT believe it then got smaller for a few years in my 20s and then back to being bigger again in my 30s just to shrink again in my 40s. I believe the actual “size” of my dick has been 99% the same for the last 25 years. But there could be a noticeable difference in erect size which is all a function of how the various blood vessels and tissues of my exact-same-size-penis behaved under different circumstances of my life.

I discovered PE about six or seven years ago but never really made a good attempt. I took some really good measurements back then. I just recently came back to it, and no matter what I do (viagra, etc) my erection size is at least an eighth of an inch smaller than it was back then. If, or rather, WHEN I have gains, I’ll consider the first eighth of an inch as barely getting back to normal; the next quarter inch I’ll consider as “newbie” gains and really just an eighth inch over my “normal” size and really just an increase in EQ, etc. I won’t get excited about real “gains” or “growth” until I’ve cemented at least the plus side of a half inch. My first serious short term goal is one inch from where I am now.

IMHO newbie gains are much like the first gains that a deeply de-conditioned make when they first hit the gym— sort of a return to baseline norms.

As to measuring, I’ve said here before is that using a ruler or tape can encourage a false measurement by striving for more.

Instead I suggest going to your local Home Depot/ Lowe’s/ paint store and pick up a batch of paint stirrers to use as tally sticks— apply them the same as you would a ruler and mark off the measurement— then check the outcome with a hard ruler.

That way there is no ‘placebo’ effect

Plus you just date the fucker and store it for a visual collection of your PE gains. I also mark my girth gains on the back just for gits and shiggles.

Stand up, plonk your erect dick on a table, then measure as usual with a ruler.

Then you know you’re not altering the angle in anyway.

This is a good idea.

Reminds me of the door-frame at my grandparents when I was a kid.They used to have me stand against it so they could mark off my height, and date it. They never measured it; they just wanted to know how fast I was growing.

Measure sitting down, standing, BP, NBP, all of the above. If your dick reaches new lengths in one category, you’ve gained. Be happy.