Just because your dick gets longer doesn't mean it is growing

I do PE for multiple reasons - it improves erection strength - it’s fun - it’s refreshing - it’s good for my junk and my dick gets a bit longer and thicker.

The ultimate goal would be a continuous growth [you]but[/you] - and this is the catch - I still doubt this is even possible. After some research and common sense - here’s a list of reasons why your dick is (in fact) larger but neither permanently nor due to actually growing (meaning additional cells where created that add to the size).

• Stretching of suspensory ligaments
• Stretching of the tunica (more blood fits in)
• Using a lube that get’s absorbed by the dick’s skin and puffs it up
• Improved erection strength simply blows the dick up to its maximum
• Water leaking from blood vessels into cells and in between - especially after using vacuum pump or cock ring
• Swelling due to irritations
• More body consciousness leading to fat loss - reducing the fat pad between pubic bone and penis

I understand your point, a lot of people here throw around the term “gain” willy nilly, without actually understanding what it means.

Gain means cell growth, AKA relatively permanent. Not temporary inflation from a bathmate or stretching.

All I can say is, we don’t know why it works, but the results can’t be denied (I was skeptical until I actually pulled out the ruler 3 months later). You may be right: Perhaps it is just stretching. Either way, at the end of the day, the ruler doesn’t lie.

You can naysay but you aren’t offering anything useful. I mean not only does the ruler not lie, but neither does outgrowing condoms. Gains are from different mechanisms within the penis being changed by the trauma we inflict on it. That’s pretty much it. Measurable gains are the goal.

As for your fat pad assertion, we do Bone Pressed Measurement here. Fat pad decrease shows more visible but the ruler will read the same unless some other mechanism has caused gains.

What exactly is your point in this post? Seems needlessly negative and doesn’t build to a point that has an end the community can offer much input on.

I want to figure out if growth is possible. People who only focus on what supports that assumption - “the ruler doesn’t lie” - and ignore anything uncomfortable - the growth is gone after six months of no more PE - are handicapping that process.

There are a couple of guys on here who also would like to actually check out if you can produce cells - those are not going to vanish even after six years of no more PE.

Why is that important - for example for people suddenly plateauing - this problem is mentioned here all over the board - then people come up with ideas how to leave that plateau. But if PE is all about those things in my list - then obviously you will plateau sooner or later b/c you simply outstretched your dick to the max .

I usually try to elaborate on my replies a bit more but I would just like to point your attention to something called “Wolff’s law”. The TL: DR is that bones remodel themselves to accommodate the stresses put on them. Bones grow rather slowly, and they break down rather slowly. Ligaments, epithelial layers and muscle tissue regenerates and grows orders of magnitudes faster.

Your first two points could easily be permanent (by analogy of Wolff’s law). The four points following that won’t last for more than a few days, so we can scratch those off almost immediately. We measure bone pressed. As far as I’m concerned, QED.

Well, the mechanics of gains are varied. Simple as that.

Elongation of the tissue, especially ligaments, is a common mechanism for newbie gains. I coach a lot of guys who get frustrated and plateau between 6 to 18 months because the ligament gain mechanism is exhausted. It really requires a new look at your routine if you want to move forward.

As far as actually generating cells, this does happen. As my gains don’t go anywhere no matter how long I take a break. Each device and exercise uses one of two mechanics to generate tissue if ligaments are not the primary gain mechanism.

But this isn’t as discussed, mostly because people just want to stay diligent in their gains. I’ll post on this in the next few days though, at least my own theory on this since it does bear some discussion.

When I started PE I started pumping with a 1.5 inch cylinder which took me over nine months before I started to pack most of it. I am now on a 2” tube which I start to pack after 10 minutes.

My second tube was a 1.75” tube which I marked with tape at the point where the tip of my dick reached after 10 minutes at 5 hg. Today, when I pump in that tube for ten minutes at 5 hg, the tip of my dick passes the tape by more than 1/2 inch.

To me, this is proof that my dick has actually grown.

thoughtfulgold’s Gains Theory: What mechanisms do they use and how do they differ?

You inspired me to actually sit down and write this out. It’s a theory I’ve worked on, off and on for years but I suppose never actually has been stated. Give this a read.

Here’s what worries me about this approach - if taken to extremes.

Obviously tissue can stretch to enormous levels - just think about infects causing inflammation or snake bites - also some extreme piercings prove this.

So you can also probably stretch the corpus cavernosum to an immense degree. But - something tells me - common sense combined with some basic physics and biology education - that the stability of an erection is based on a balance of a number of metrics regarding the involved structures.

The CC is like a sponge holding the blood in vessels. If you stretch the CC then those vessels get larger and I would not be surprised if the result is a dependence on more blood flow to compensate for a larger vessel volume to be kept full. Because the strength of the erection is a result from the blood in the vessel, supporting the surrounding structure. An example would be a airbed made of one volume vs of many small independent volumes (that would be less comfortable to inflate obviously) - obviously the latter one would be more stable - while the first one would press air into regions where no weight is applied.

Also probably the veins leaving the CC would increase in cross section - so more pressure would have to be built up to tighten them such that blood stops leaking from the CC through the veins (venous leakage).

Meaning that at some point the erection will start to weaken. Did you observe this?

The Erection Weakening as size increases question is a common one here. Though this is certainly not common as guys get bigger. Just the opposite in fact all of the time.

Could too much girth gains worsen EQ because of imbalance of inner and outer penis?

Change In Size Effect On Hardness

And those are just the threads I personally posted in. I don’t know the titles of others to link here.

That also being said, some guys have had a lot of gains and they are stable in the flaccid and the erect state enough that…it’s as real as it gets. I mean there’s only so much to be said for deformation of tissue before you just say "it deformed into a larger size" and can actually just be done with it.

Will check that out. And most likely I already stumbled upon those posts. The problem is just that as is - it’s mostly anecdotal vs. Anecdotal - and I simply am extremely sceptical of a guy’s perception when it comes to his junk.

The idea of an organ deforming in to a larger size is interesting - though I fail to see how this is supposed to look like in biological detail. It would be awesome if the PE community would become more science based.

Problem with that is its all pro bono. So, the small amount of science and doctors that are in the community are typically selling something.

All you can do is look at starting and ending pictures. There’s a few interesting threads, including one Thunder put together of the most impressive measured gains.

I can’t make you believe. I’m not going to tell my story. But I’ve been at it 7 years and if I didn’t see it for myself I wouldn’t be here. That’s as subjective an anecdote as the next, distortion of perception about my junk or not. I know I fit regular condoms before, now I’m well past Trojan magnum into the biggest one they sell at Theyfit.uk

If it is longer, thicker and harder than before, then it is in fact bigger regardless of the mechanism used, shrouded in mystery as they are. That’s my .02

I hope you find what you’re looking for on your journey.

I agree 100% with the above. If I am getting more pleasure with my longer, thicker erection, which is also evidenced by my ruler, and so is my wife, I have to believe my dick has grown since I started seven years ago.

It may be due to over stretching; however, my overstretched erection continues to remain overstretched on a perminant basis.

If you think about PE in terms of bodybuilding or long distance training. Then it’s easy to see that gains can be made through training. If a bodybuilder or long distance runner stops training for six months then they will not be conditioned to the point they were before the break.

By your logic, if it’s not permanent then it’s not a real gain is ridiculous. The human body’s attributes are all perishable if not used or trained on a regular basis. If Usain Bolt sat on the couch and ate potato chips for 6 months he would not be able to go out and run a 9.7 second 100 meter.

I’m not going to pretend to have all the answers but I can tell you from my experience my gains seem permanent. In a year I added 1.5” of BPEL and .25” of MEG / .75” BEG. I have not done anything for well over a year except LAS every once in a while I’m driving. I currently still have a 1.25” BPEL gain and no loss on girth. Droped a .25” in first 3 months of stopping and nothing else in over a year.

Thinking of coming back to hit that 7” mark.