Thunder's Place

The big penis and mens' sexual health source, increasing penis size around the world.

Need help from the older guys.

Originally Posted by marky777
Guys, I think I’m OK.

Yeah I think so too.

But I think you ought to get tested when you have your next annual physical. Just a little extra blood to go along with all the other tests they run then.

For a BASELINE reading.

Just in case you have trouble down the road.

If I had had a BASELINE reading it would have been easy for my doctor find the correct dosage.

We just would have needed to match that number. Instead it took a year or more of trial and error to get my dosage correct.

You may never need this BASELINE reading. However it would be real nice to have in case you do. It is not a big deal to ask you doc to add that on.

Originally Posted by sta-kool
Worth adding this article, originally from ABC NEWS… .

Good article sta-kool. It’s right on the button. Thanks.

Originally Posted by sta-kool

Just a little extra blood to go along with all the other tests they run then.

I’ve never had any test in my life!


I'm fed up of having a signature!

Originally Posted by marky777
I’ve never had any test in my life!

For your wife’s sake you need to start. I am sure she wants you to be around a long time. A yearly physical with blood tests is important, especially for guys our age. cholesterol, liver function, thyroid function etc etc.

For example, you are getting to the age where you need to have a colon cancer screening. This is serious business, your health is very very important.

Also get Vitamin D tested, it’s a big one(should be in 50-65ng/ml range) ;) .


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

Originally Posted by RickM
Today I ordered a protein supplement containing all these things. I’m in South Africa for a ten week spell, continue to do weights at the gym, but thought I could go without a protein shake for the duration. It didn’t work and I’m not recovering properly after each workout. The brew is coming Monday and I’ll tell you how it goes from a sex health perspective. It contains:

Typical Amino Acid Profile Per 100 g

L-Alanine 4 845 mg
L-Arginine 1 995 mg
L-Aspartic Acid 9 690 mg
L-Cystine 2 280 mg
L-Glutamine/Glutamic Acid 16 055 mg
L-Glycine 1 425 mg
L-Histadine 1 520 mg
L-Isoleucine 5 890 mg
L-Leucine 10 355 mg
L-Methionine 2 185 mg
L-Phenylalanine 2 755 mg
L-Proline 5 320 mg
L-Serine 4 180 mg
L-Threonine 6 555 mg
L-Tryptophan† 1 615 mg
L-Tyrosine 2 755 mg
L-Valine 5 320 mg

I’ll take 45 g with each workout along with:

L-Arginine 5 g morning and night (yes, I realise I’ll be doubling up)

Creatine 20 g per day for three and a half days, then three and a half days off.

I’m also taking Fish Oil and Glucosamine — I’m an old fart.

Perhaps you’re not aware of it, but most amino acids compete to cross the blood-brain barrier. Taking them together cancels them out as far as brain activity goes - which is where sexual arousal takes place. Bodybuilders have learned to take them separately. Taking the arginine with the other amino acids will greatly decrease the arginine’s effect on you in regards to sex or bodybuilding.


11/09 - Egms 6.375, Bpel 6.25; 9/10 - Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0 1/12 Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0

Originally Posted by marky777
Back to the dopamine precursors…

I did not get on with th DL-Phenylalanine it made me feel detached from the stress, and stopped my mind wondering, but also made me a bit dopey. And to the extent that I felt detached, sex was not very good - by body felt a bit numb. HOWEVER - I did get a noticeably better flaccid hang! But not much use if you don’t feel sexy.

So I stopped the DL-Phenylalanine and went back to the L-Theanine.

However, just to mix things up, I added L-Tyrosine, which is one of the metabolites of Phenylalanine. I feel pepped up :) I also decided to pay hoomage to Zaneblue, and take some high quality fish-oil. Fish-oil usually take a couple of weeks to kick in, so I feel it’s not affecting my testing of the amino acids too much. The L-Theanine and L-Tyrosine take only half an hour to start raising my mood - which is fun.

I don’t normally do weirdo powders and supplements, but I am highly motivated to bring my sex drive back to “normal” as well as making the studying easier. I certainly feel less challenged in the university lectures. Today was my day off, but tomorrow is a killer: Physics followed by double chemistry, followed by double maths. Lessons finish at 6.05pm. So I’ll be necking those powders and pills like it’s going out of fashion :D

Marky777, theanine is used to relax people - it’s often recommended as a sleep supplement. Between the theanine and phenylalanine, the theanine is much more likely to have made you feel detached. It relaxes you while stimulating your mind (enhances alpha brain wave activity).

Phenylanine made you feel numb and detached? In 30 years of nutrition research, I’ve never heard of that response. Phenylalanine is a slight stimulant and mood elevator. It also helps with depression and sex. Too much can make you feel wired. Tyrosine can have similar effects, though less pronounced. That being said, everyone responds differently.

If you’re going to take either one, taking them on an empty stomach is necessary to get the best response.

If what you’re trying to do is up your dopamine levels, why bother with precursors? Why not get some L-dopa? You can buy it legally. Check out http://www.cognitivenutrition.com/e…a-25-grams.html. I have some that I use occasionally - some folks rave about it, but I haven’t noticed anything dramatic.


11/09 - Egms 6.375, Bpel 6.25; 9/10 - Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0 1/12 Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0

Originally Posted by marky777
I’m a novice!
Also, I’m aiming for a different result to you.

I am aiming to sharpen my mind to assist in my university course AND to get my libido back to normal. My wife’s sex drive has recently gone through the roof, and I don’t want to be left behind :D

The regime seems to be working. I was late for a lecture yesterday due to jerking like a nutter in the afternoon (wife was out). I just about managed to resist cuming.

I have discvered that taking the supps mentioned in the right order gives me a bit of a dopamine rush. I’m not quite sure what the order is, because I keep mixing things up, but I am going to pin it down and write about it here. But I think it has to do with taking a time release multi-vitamin B tablet in the morning, and then taking the amino acids an hour and a half later. Vitamin B is needed for the conversion of amino acids into dopamine. If you don’t take vitamin B (either as a supp or by eating plenty of the right foods), the production of extra dopamine will either not occur, or it will occur, but will rob your body of vitamin B.

Marky777, if you go to the cognitive nutrition site, also check out the piracetam and aniracetam. They’re two widely used nootropics - nutrients used to increase memory and intelligence. There’s a vast library of research and anecdotal reports of these two. Personally, I take piracetam daily, along with Twinlab’s Choline Cocktail (which is also filled with brain nutrients - choline is instrumental in brain function, as is the DMAE that’s included etc), to counteract my insane habit of overindulging in my homebrew at night.

Do a bit of researc on the ‘retams and I’ll bet you’ll end up getting some. Who doesn’t want a better memory, faster learning, higher IQ?!


11/09 - Egms 6.375, Bpel 6.25; 9/10 - Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0 1/12 Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0

Originally Posted by marky777
Natural cures may exist, you can’t just rule everything out. That’s very sweeping of you.

It increases the risk of cancer and, could permanently damage the testicles - so no chance of a repair after that.

Taking testosterone does NOT increase the risk of cancer. When men with prostate cancer are checked, they’re invariably LOW in testosterone. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information, but it’s dead wrong. It’s possible that if you already have a type of cancer which feeds on testosterone, then taking more could increase the cancer growth, but taking it in the absence of cancer does NOT increase your risk for developing cancer, and if anything it decreases your risk for many other diseases, including cardiovascular disease. I’ve been on testosterone for nearly a decade, have done the research, have read the studies. Testosterone CAN cause your testicles to shrink, since your body determines that enough testosterone is being released - it can essentially shut them down. However, any good, cutting edge male hormone doctor would likely prescribe HCG - human chorionic gonadatrophin - which stops testicular atrophy when taking testosterone. I’m on HCG as well. My balls have not shrunk at all - and thanks to damiana, they’ve actually grown in the past few months.

And, once you stop taking testosterone, your testicles would revert back to their normal size - it’s not permanent damage.

If you’re at all considering testosterone supplementation, go to the yahoo hypogonadism group (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hypogonadism2/) and talk to the guys who really know what the scoop is. In fact, I first learned about Thunder’s Place through a guy on that group.

Personally, I use Dr. John Crisler, who I think is the best at helping men get their testosterone levels back in line. He’s a DO, not an MD, which means he went to med school like an MD but then continued on with several hundred hours of more training.


11/09 - Egms 6.375, Bpel 6.25; 9/10 - Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0 1/12 Egms 6.6, Bpel 7.0


Last edited by jimbeaux : 12-02-2009 at .

Originally Posted by jimbeaux
Marky777, theanine is used to relax people - it’s often recommended as a sleep supplement. Between the theanine and phenylalanine, the theanine is much more likely to have made you feel detached. It relaxes you while stimulating your mind (enhances alpha brain wave activity).

Phenylanine made you feel numb and detached? In 30 years of nutrition research, I’ve never heard of that response. Phenylalanine is a slight stimulant and mood elevator. It also helps with depression and sex. Too much can make you feel wired. Tyrosine can have similar effects, though less pronounced. That being said, everyone responds differently.

If you’re going to take either one, taking them on an empty stomach is necessary to get the best response.


Hi Sir.

Interesting stuff.

I am very sensitive to drugs of any kind, so I am a good person to dabble with this.

I found the Phenylanine increased my concentration a bit, but really worked a bit like an anti-depressant: I felt calmer, but detached from what was going on. My dick felt slightly number.

The L-Theanine was much more pleasure enhancing.

The L-Tyrosine was similar, but perhaps more gentle.

One day, I got the amounts and the order in which I took them just right, and I felt drunk with sexual feelings :)

I am feeling way way better now.

The L-Theanine is perhaps the most interesting, but the packet says don’t exceed 1200 mg, so I am treating it with caution. One day I got slight heart-race when I doubled the dose, but also felt very euphoric.

Unfortunately, other (non health) issues have cropped since starting this thread that have upped my stress levels, so I am having to put the experiment on hold for now, although I am still taking a maintenance dose of everything :)


I'm fed up of having a signature!

Originally Posted by jimbeaux
Perhaps you’re not aware of it, but most amino acids compete to cross the blood-brain barrier. Taking them together cancels them out as far as brain activity goes - which is where sexual arousal takes place. Bodybuilders have learned to take them separately. Taking the arginine with the other amino acids will greatly decrease the arginine’s effect on you in regards to sex or bodybuilding.

Thanks for that jimbeaux. Most appreciated. I do take the Arginine separately — 1 level teaspoon morning and again at night with my meals. The listing was the whey protein isolate brew that I take as a post workout shake. I have also been taking creatine (1 level teaspoon) with the Arginine and also in a pre-workout shake along with glucose (40 g). I take the arginine every day, but the creatine only for half the week — nothing on the other half.

As I understand it, you have to cycle the creatine (and my doctor monitors it at 3-monthly blood tests associated with HRT). As for the glucose, I really don’t understand what happens there, but I do know it’s got with promoting an insulin spike. Also, if I don’t take the glucose, I do run out of energy before I have fininshed my workout and have lactic acid pain.

What do you recommend, please?

Originally Posted by jimbeaux
… . Testosterone CAN cause your testicles to shrink, since your body determines that enough testosterone is being released - it can essentially shut them down. However, any good, cutting edge male hormone doctor would likely prescribe HCG - human chorionic gonadatrophin - which stops testicular atrophy when taking testosterone. I’m on HCG as well. My balls have not shrunk at all - and thanks to damiana, they’ve actually grown in the past few months… .

Yes, my balls did shrink, quite a lot — I’ve been on HRT since December 2003, but only at optimal levels since December 2007. Since December 2007, I have been injecting 1,500 iu of hCG each three days (so I take 3,500 per week). My balls have recovered a fair bit, but they’re still much smaller than before I started all this. I don’t have before and after measurements, but they certainly don’t hang as low as they did before and I put that down to less weight stretching the scrotum skin.

How much hCG are you taking, please, and where do you inject it (I do it into the subcutaneous fat to the side of my belly button)? And what’s damiana?

Cheers,

Rick

My attitude is - who cares if the balls shrank as long as the bat works!

This could be because I have smaller testicles to begin with, so I do not notice a ton of difference.

I have read Crisler’s stuff, his protocol is interesting. Unfortunately so far I have been unable to find any medical research on PubMed etc that discusses hCG as a part of a HRT treatment plan. Crisler is the only person I have seen who advocates this. It would be good if he could get a study going.

There are of course articles about using hCG with a TRT patient if he is wanting to conceive a child. (NOTE - no ‘damage’ to the testicles, they are just sleeping)

Top

All times are GMT. The time now is 08:53 PM.