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The Chemical PE Thread

Originally Posted by grow or die
Hi,

Can you tell more about that procedure that puts a leg vein in the penis? I have never heard of that (and I often read a lot to do with phalloplasty). What is that procedure called?

Thanks matey!

best PE surgery to have (p. 3)

“According to one Egyptian doctor, a patient went from a girth of 11.5 cm (4.5”) to 19.5 cm (7.7”). Just so you know. That’s about the width of a beer can. Hmm. I emailed the doctor to ask for clarification on this figure but failed to get a response. I was prepared to write off the result until I stumbled across a follow-up study of 37 men who had undergone the operation. Measurements were taken 9 months after surgery and while there were no meaningful increases in flaccid diameter, the increases in erect diameter ranged from 1.1 cm (0.4”) to 2.1 cm (0.84”). That’s diameter, folks; presumably measured at the point of greatest width. In terms of circumference, that translates to a gain of 2 - 2.5 inches. If somebody’s not fudging the results, saphenous graft surgery is by far the most effective means of girth enhancement currently available.

Another advantage vein grafts have over dermal or AlloDerm grafts is that you’re not required to wear a dick stretcher for six months after the surgery. The penis also looks proportional when flaccid. No little wiener head sticking out of a bun. “

This may indicate why having more\larger veins may be good!

http://phalloboards.websitetoolbox….surgery-5544990

is this the future of Penis Enlargement Surgery?

Check this:


Saphenous vein graft surgery involves removing a section of your saphenous vein and grafting it onto the tunica albuginea to enlarge its capacity. The saphenous vein, which runs down the inside of the thigh, is easy to access and sections of this vein have been used as the conduit of choice for heart bypass surgery for decades. The tunica albuginea is the thin but very tough elastic tissue that encases the corpus cavernosa. If the penis were a blood vessel, the tunica albuginea would be its wall. More than any other component, it is the capacity of the tunica albuginea that determines your dick’s size. The skin will stretch larger and the corpus cavernosa will grow to fill the space. Expand the tunica and you expand the dick. At least that’s the theory. The saphenous vein makes an ideal donor material for tunica grafts because the tissues are very similar in structure and thickness. Because it’s so thin, the graft quickly establishes a blood supply from the underlying lumen of the … more

http://www.experts123.com/q/what-is…ft-surgery.html

http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/…l/3900862a.html

http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi…t/full/28/1/186

I understand they are doing it in Egypt and elsewhere.

These results far surpass my own… speed wise…

Medical Breakthrough in Penis Enlargement Getting Results at Dallas Clinic

With just a single treatment of the new Priapus Shot®, patients at the Dallas Anti-Aging Institute are reporting remarkable increases in penis length and girth.

DALLAS, PRNewswire/ — A recently introduced non-surgical treatment called the Priapus Shot® is winning advocates among patients at the Dallas Anti-Aging Institute for its ability to significantly increase penis size. The injection process, administered with a tiny needle and topical anesthetic that make it virtually painless, was developed by Charles Runels, MD and is being hailed as a major breakthrough in penis enlargement.

According to Dr. Robert Newberry, Medical Director of the Anti-Aging Institute, “Recipients of the shot were understandably a bit skeptical at first, given the flood of products on the market that don’t really work. But this is different. The science is there. And the increase we’re seeing in penis length and girth is immediate and dramatic.”

The Priapus Shot® utilizes the body’s own enriched blood platelets, called Platelet Rich Fibrin Matrix, which are drawn from the patient, spun in a centrifuge to release powerful growth factors, then reintroduced to the penis through the one-time injection. Multiple studies have shown that 70% of men given the Priapus Shot® have seen a half-inch or more increase in penis size. And the results are proving to be long-lasting.

One of the success stories, Hal from Plano, Texas wrote: “This is the greatest thing I’ve seen. My measurements before the shot were 6.0” in length when erect and 4.5” circumference. In a matter of weeks after the shot they were 7.0” in length erect, and 5.6” circumference. As far as sexual performance goes, the sensitivity has completely changed and the erections are much stronger and last several times longer.” Results vary per individual.

In addition to penis enlargement, the Priapus Shot® also treats erectile dysfunction, with a documented 95% improvement in firmness of erection. Because the Priapus Shot® is a natural process, there are no drugs to take, no harmful side effects, no repeat treatments necessary, no allergic reactions, and virtually no downtime or recovery period.

“By promoting the growth of new tissues and blood vessels, improved circulation within the penis, stronger erection, and increased pleasure, the Priapus Shot® is truly changing the lives of many couples,” said Dr. Newberry.

See in the above example I would say he was a lucky one. I think he in puberty did not meet his full genetic potential with enough air time erect while all the goodies present during puberty for growth. But with PRP I think it can help you reach what you would of in puberty had you not already done so. Im not sure everyone will get similar results… Especially if they have any kind of issue, like are smokers, have pre diabetic or diabetic symptoms in general, and a host of other conditions that can lower the availability of growth factors…

Pentadecapeptide BPC 157 enhances the growth hormone receptor expression…

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25415472

BPC 157, a pentadecapeptide derived from human gastric juice, has been demonstrated to promote the healing of different tissues… From the result of cDNA microarray analysis, growth hormone receptor was revealed as one of the most abundantly up-regulated genes… BPC 157 dose- and time-dependently increased the expression of growth hormone receptor… The addition of growth hormone to BPC 157… - … increased the cell proliferation as determined by MTT assay and PCNA expression by RT/real-time PCR. In conclusion, the BPC 157-induced increase of growth hormone receptor… may potentiate the proliferation-promoting effect of growth hormone

I like the sound of these implications for healing in general. We just need more targeted studies… Like on fibroblasts found in Tunica Tissue! Also wonder if IGF-1 can use the GH receptor sights and if not wonder if BCP 157 can up regulate IGF-1 receptors!

Inuic

Thanks for that. Man, I wonder if there is anywhere that still does that saphenous vein surgery. Those are crazy results. Tho there does seem to be a mild-moderate risk of ED, but still..

The prp shot has gotten mixed reviews (at best),, but when you put it that way (helping guys realize their puberty potential) it seems more reasonable, I am 99% certain that I did not achieve my puberty potential. I didn’t start masturbating till I was about 16 (when my friends were doing it multiple times a day when they were 12), I was also really small (physically, muscle/height wise) when I was a teen until about 16, when most guys were getting muscular without even working out. Just things like that, makes me think I get a shitty deal puberty-wise.

Originally Posted by inuic
best PE surgery to have (p. 3)

“According to one Egyptian doctor, a patient went from a girth of 11.5 cm (4.5”) to 19.5 cm (7.7”). Just so you know. That’s about the width of a beer can. Hmm. I emailed the doctor to ask for clarification on this figure but failed to get a response. I was prepared to write off the result until I stumbled across a follow-up study of 37 men who had undergone the operation. Measurements were taken 9 months after surgery and while there were no meaningful increases in flaccid diameter, the increases in erect diameter ranged from 1.1 cm (0.4”) to 2.1 cm (0.84”). That’s diameter, folks; presumably measured at the point of greatest width. In terms of circumference, that translates to a gain of 2 - 2.5 inches. If somebody’s not fudging the results, saphenous graft surgery is by far the most effective means of girth enhancement currently available.

Another advantage vein grafts have over dermal or AlloDerm grafts is that you’re not required to wear a dick stretcher for six months after the surgery. The penis also looks proportional when flaccid. No little wiener head sticking out of a bun. “

I wonder why this operation is so less popular than other operations like PMMA , dermal fillers,etc.


Starting stats: 6.4" / 5.6" Current Stats: 7.4" / 5.8" Short term goal: 7" / 6" Long term goal: 8" / 6.5"

It dangerous. Guys have been caused to have ED. Plus the idea of cutting out a needed vein sucks. The concept is good, getting the unit more blood from fatter veins, but this whole process is risky and sacrifice laden. I have ideas about how to improve it though. High tech stuff coming soon. Cant wait!

A member asked me a private question about Oxytocin and how it may help with penis growth. In a nutshell it does assist in good Nitric oxide production, which itself alone is a worthy effect. But in addition its implicated in many studies to produce Angiogenesis! And in humans organogenesis! Oh and most importantly is the fact the human penis of course has oxytocin receptors! So I thus arm my self with this and add another tool to my tool collection for my Tool… Lol

i.e.
Although abnormalities of the male external genitalia (MEG) are a relatively common problem, little is known concerning the molecular mechanisms that finely regulate penile development. We report here the expression of the oxytocin receptor (OTR) gene by real-time RT-PCR in human fetal tissues (11th-12th week of gestation), including the MEG. The developing penis expressed a very high level of OTR mRNA, only a half log(10) unit lower than fetal central nervous system, used as a positive control. The OTR protein is also highly expressed (western, immunohistochemistry and binding studies) and immunolocalized both in the mesenchymal body and in the surrounding blood capillaries, which will later constitute penile trabeculae and sinusoids. Binding studies using [(125)I]oxytocin antagonist ([(125)I]OTA) in cultured human fetal penile smooth muscle cells (hfPSMC) revealed the presence of specific OTR with a high capacity and affinity for oxytocin (OT) and for OTA. Increasing concentrations of OT dose-dependently induced intracellular Ca(2+) mobilization. Furthermore, OTR mediated an increase in the proliferation and the migration of hfPSMC. In conclusion, we demonstrate that in the developing human MEG, OTR is highly expressed and might be involved in coordinating timely and appropriate proliferation and migration of the penile cells. Thus, OTR might represent an additional target for investigating human fetal MEG organogenesis.

http://www.oxytocin.org/oxy/penis-receptor.html

Inuic!

Stable gastric pentadecapeptide BPC 157-NO-system relation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23755725

Part of what seems to be going on with this peptide is it has the ability to impact or even generate NO [Nitric Oxide]

NO-synthase blockage by the NOS-blocker L-NAME consequently counteracted by l-arginine and gastric pentadecapeptide BPC 157 (l-arginine <BPC 157), precipitating a therapeutic benefit.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23220707

Seems L-arginine [known to impact PE] and BPC 157 have similar effects on NO generation. perhaps there is a synergism!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21548867

odd fact: interestingly, BPC 157 both prevents and reverses adjuvant arthritis.. ! acts as a free radical scavenger… and exhibits neuroprotective properties

It has strong angiogenic potential, it acts protectively on endothelium…

BPC 157’s effect on healing.

In all experiments significant differences between BPC 157-treated animals and controls were found, showing a strong, promoting involvement of BPC in the healing process.

Elements thought to be of greatest importance in the process of healing are formation of granulation tissue, angiogenesis and production of collagen.

The specimens were histologically assessed for collagen, reticulin and blood vessels using scoring and morphometry. In all experiments significant differences between BPC 157-treated animals and controls were found, showing a strong, promoting involvement of BPC in the healing process.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9403790

…leading to optimization of the vascular response followed, as it has to be expected, by optimization of the healing process. Formation of new blood vessels involves two main, partly overlapping mechanisms, angiogenesis and vasculogenesis. The additional mechanism of arteriogenesis…

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23782145

Posted elsewhere by accident too, other BPC 157 articles…

Originally Posted by inuic
It dangerous. Guys have been caused to have ED. Plus the idea of cutting out a needed vein sucks. The concept is good, getting the unit more blood from fatter veins, but this whole process is risky and sacrifice laden. I have ideas about how to improve it though. High tech stuff coming soon. Can’t wait!

What ideas do you have to improve the surgery? Do you know if they will be doing the surgery on people for PE? This is quite exciting.

How BPC-157 Works

The main characteristics of healing are granulation tissue, angiogenesis and production of collagen. BPC-157 facilitates angiogenesis. Angio (vessel) genesis (formation) is the formation of vessels. No, seriously its that dumb. Take any 2 words, say them out of order in greek and/or Latin and you get the medical term.

BPC-157 acts by modulating Vaso Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) which is the growth factor that causes capillaries to grow into a new area to carry blood and nutrients. This is how healing happens, through blood flow.

Dose

Experiments saw results with oral, peritoneal, and site injections. 10 micrograms per kg was the dose in various experiments for these results. This means oral or injection makes no difference, with a tiny bit of this healing becomes a whole lot easier.

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