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Revivogen worked for me to a certain point. I may try it again and take a break from the Propecia


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Dino the link I posted has all the stuff we are talking about. The doctor on the site has been on the Discovery channel show about hair loss.

I went shopping for Rogaine today (generic Minoxidil $40 for 3 months supply) and Nizoral shampoo ($15 for 7 oz). Right on the Minoxidil box it says do not use if hair loss is in the front of the scalp. Not meant to treat receding hair line. What is up with that? I don’t want to waste my money and they made it pretty clear in their statement. Its not like they said it might not work as well, they said DO NOT USE.


Horny Bastard

Thal your website looks pretty good. It has all the stuff, and the prices seem reasonable, but I didn’t see what the set up fees are. On that site, it talks about how the 15% minoxidil is recommended for receding hair lines and other tough spots, and 5% could be used to save money on the crown of the head.

Even still, you say you are losing hair anyway, aren’t you Thal?

How about you Ulcaster, you say you have more hair than you used to. Did you grow it on the crown or front part of your head?


Horny Bastard

I don’t think any hair loss treatment can stop or reverse nature. I am still losing it. But it is a lot slower and that’s just fine with me. I know for a fact that if I had never started using rogaine at 20 my hair line would be further back and I would look older. The 15% Xandrox is easier on my skin on my scalp then regular rogaine. It’s a good site and good products.

Never take Spironolactone orally. Though a pill form. It will turn you into a woman. That is not a joke either. Men do not take it in pill form.

Thanks Thal and Ulcaster:)


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Some of this stuff is expensive for me from that Dr lee, as I live in Australia and it would cost me nearly 150 AUD landed to my door, which is bloody expensive :D

150 AUD, but how long would it last you?


Horny Bastard

OK, I’ve been fighting hairloss for 10 years and I would be willing to bet $1,000 that I know more than 95 percent of dermatologists out there.

Here’s my opinion for what it’s worth:

1) Azeleic acid has never been proven to block DHT in a human scalp. It had one test done in vitro about 20 years ago and that’s all. In fact, it even has evidence to support that it is NOT effective for MPB due to its inability to reduce the size of sebaceous glands. Those of you who are benefiting from Xandrox are likely benefiting from plain old minoxidil.

2) Revivogen is another one of those ‘iffy’ products that does have some decent studies behind its individual ingredients (mainly the fatty acids) but it is very pricey and I believe your money could be better spent elsewhere.

3) At the moment, the hands-down best treatment out there for stopping loss and perhaps getting regrowth (stopping loss is much easier than regrowing) is Finasteride once a day, 5% minoxidil twice a day, and Nizoral shampoo 3 times a week.

4) Topical Spiro is another useful weapon to add, especially if you cannot tolerate Finasteride. Be warned though, the stuff can stink, especially when applied alongside of minoxidil.

5) RE: Finasteride being expensive. There are MANY ways around this. You can go to your doctor and ask for a prescription for Proscar. Proscar is a 5mg pill of Finasteride. Take a pill cutter and cut it into 4ths and voila!
You can also order online from generic suppliers. I am a big fan of www.unitedpharmacies.com and www.inhousepharmacy.com. If you can’t be bothered cutting up Proscar, you can buy Finpecia which is the generic equivalent of Propecia at a 1 mg dose.

6) Minoxidil can be greasy, and this can be a problem if we want to apply it and go to work. This is where Dr. Lee comes in. The guy has the best minox on the market. It dries in like 20 minutes and leaves your hair looking great. Stick with his regular minox instead of opting for the ultra-expensive Xandrox. As someone mentioned, you will have to fill out an online application for Dr. Lee that costs $20, but it is well worth it. His products are great and he even sells topical spiro and an extra strength Nizoral-type shampoo.

Stick to the basics when it comes to hairloss and give it a good year before you re-evaluate. You can always upgrade to higher doses of minoxidil down the line, as well as trying other antiandrogens.

Good luck.


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p.s. I’d be willing to answer any questions to the best of my ability.


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Good post Leatherface. I have plenty of questions:

1. What kind of success have you had?

2. What part of your head is losing hair? Are you getting results on all parts?

3. Have you used the other products without the finesteride? Do you feel it is even worth trying for frontal receding hairline type balding?

4. Don’t you think the 15% Xandrox would give me a better chance at success compared to 5%?

5. What specifically is in revivogen that is supposed to work?

6. Why only 3x per week with the nizoral?

7. Have you had side effects with fenesteride?


Horny Bastard

Originally Posted by Leatherface

3) At the moment, the hands-down best treatment out there for stopping loss and perhaps getting regrowth (stopping loss is much easier than regrowing) is Finasteride once a day, 5% minoxidil twice a day, and Nizoral shampoo 3 times a week.

I’m doing the same thing as leather in fact I think it was him that turned me on to the Nizoral. I only use the 5% minoxidil once a day at night. I usually use the shampoo about 4 or 5 times a week because I’m only using the 1%.
My hair is the best it’s been in years. I also do the Generic Propecia. The thing is the longer you wait the harder it will be most of these products will thicken your hair they kind of reverse what DHT has done but once a hair follicle is dead it’s dead.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Hi. I’ll try and answer each question as best as I can.

1. What kind of success have you had?
-I started losing my hair over 10 years ago. Although my hair is nowhere near as thick as it was in my teens, with the right hairstyle you cannot tell I’m losing my hair. Without treatment I would likely be bald.

2. What part of your head is losing hair? Are you getting results on all parts?
-My thinning is diffuse in the front. I’ve got a decent hairline, but the hair in that area is becoming sparse. My crown/vertex is perfect.

3. Have you used the other products without the finesteride? Do you feel it is even worth trying for frontal receding hairline type balding?
-This is a tough question. Some people have claimed Finasteride didn’t help their hairline and even made it worse. This is why treating hairloss is such a mystery. Many times these treatments will cause an initial shedding of hair (which is, believe it or not, usually a good sign the treatment is working) and people freak out and dump the treatment too soon. Realistically, Finasteride is one of the best weapons we have in our hairloss arsenal. It attacks one of the primary causes of baldness i.e DHT. For what it’s worth, the BEST success stories I have been following over the years included what is commonly referred to as the BIG 3. Fin/Minox/Niz

4. Don’t you think the 15% Xandrox would give me a better chance at success compared to 5%?
-It depends. Have you used minox before? If not, then DO NOT jump to Xandrox 15. Who knows, you might be great responder to regular minox and will save yourself lots of money. You can also take comfort in the fact that if the minox begins to lose its kick somehwere down the line, you can always upgrade to Xandrox 15.
If you have used minox before and your results have been subpar, then you have 2 options. You can add Xandrox 15 OR you can try Minoxidil with Retin-A. Retin-A is a treatment often used with minox that increases the efficacy of minox and actually has regrowth properties of its own. Take warning though, Retin-A is an acid and if overused can really burn the scalp. If you decide to use it you must build up to it gradually over the course of a couple of months.

5. What specifically is in revivogen that is supposed to work?
-Revivogen’s claim to fame are its free form fatty acids. These are much different than the kind you eat (omega 3s etc.) and have been shown to inhibit 5AR (DHT) in vivo. Personally, I think Revivogen is overpriced, greasy, and smells bad. I tried it for over a year and noticed nothing special. Your money could be spent more wisely elsewhere.

6. Why only 3x per week with the nizoral?
-Because it falls under the category of ‘too much of a good thing.’ The stuff can be harsh and dry out the hair, plus believe it or not, hairloss is actually a side effect from overuse! This really isn’t cause for concern as the same is true for many medications (a little aspirin is good, alot can kill etc.)
Also, the active ingredient in Nizoral has the ability to stay active in the scalp for a couple of days after use, so 3-4 times max is what I recommend.

7. Have you had side effects with fenesteride?
-Not really. The most common I have notcied is that my semen is much more watery and that sometimes I’ll feel lethargic. The lethargy could be coincedental, but the watery semen is certain, but no cause for alarm. All in all, Finasteride has been around for awhile and is a well-tolerated drug. Test subjects have taken as much as 40 mgs at a time with no problem!

Good luck


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