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Originally Posted by kushextender
Just for reference of guys who ALREADY take propecia, or other DHT inhibitor.. It is said that after a month or two of usage of such product, that the DHT receptors become sensitized similar to puberty. If one than follows up immediately with a topical DHT in the right region, it should start puberty like growth.

I’m about to throw some DHT on my dick then, fuck it!

islord,

Excellent post. Is all this information from popular opinion, besides item 1? What is your opinion on shampoos and conditioners? Is it necessary to go all out on expensive ones like the ones listed in item 5 or does basic Head and Shoulders work well enough? I’ve been using a copper peptide based one (Tricomin) for a while now and it is quite expensive when compared to the ones off the shelves and I couldn’t tell you that it works far better than anything else for much less money.

You mention jojoba oil and aloe vera. Are these topical solutions or infused shampoos?

Do you have any articles on RU-58841? I was not familiar with it. Of course I could Google search it but was curious of your source.

Originally Posted by tmar89
islord,

Excellent post. Is all this information from popular opinion, besides item 1? What is your opinion on shampoos and conditioners? Is it necessary to go all out on expensive ones like the ones listed in item 5 or does basic Head and Shoulders work well enough? I’ve been using a copper peptide based one (Tricomin) for a while now and it is quite expensive when compared to the ones off the shelves and I couldn’t tell you that it works far better than anything else for much less money.

You mention jojoba oil and aloe vera. Are these topical solutions or infused shampoos?

Do you have any articles on RU-58841? I was not familiar with it. Of course I could Google search it but was curious of your source.

Thanks mate.

Let’s see.

Point 2 -dutasteride- is a new drug used in prostatic hyperplastia, similar to finasteride (Propecia). The difference is that dutasteride is much stronger, it inhibits 5-ar-I and 5-ar-II (while Propecia only does on II) getting almost a 90% DHT blocking on plasma serum. This drug is nor approved for MPB but there are a lot of persons who are using it as there are studies proving it’s effectiveness on MPB. The problem -please note this- is that side effects are more common, the risk of getting sides from dutasteride is more than twice finasteride’s (libido, brain fog, gyno, etc.). That’s why this drug is not approved for MPB. But it works, a very high rate of users (very high) report good results. I wouldn’t recommend it due risk of side effects.

Point 3. These substances have proven to work on a mild way in MPB. Ketoconazol 2% (Nizoral shampoo) is one of the “big 3” finasteride/minoxidil/ketoconazol; it’s used against fungus and fat on the scalp, and there are several studies which prove it has a mild DHT blocking effect on scalp: 99’9% of users would recommend this shampoo. This studies “compare” ketoconazol 2% with minoxidil 2%, although they work on different ways. Topical spiro has been used against histurism, acné and alopecia with different results; a high rate of users report good results applying a 5% spiro cream (non alcoholic lotion) once or twice a day. Idem for flutamine, which is an anti-androgen like sipro (only spiro is steroidal) and it’s used for the same in it’s topic version.

Point 4. Forgot to add nettle root extract to that list… but let’s see: this herbal products are natural DHT blockers, but the rate of effectiveness is too low to recommend it as something that works. There are studies with good results, some others with bad results, people who says it works and people who says it doesn’t work a blind shit. In this case it’s up to you (never forget: herbal products also have side effects).

About shampoos… I’d strictly recommend ketoconazol 2% shampoo two or three times a week, supporting my opinion in hundreds of testimonies I’ve read from other users. Instead of this one, I think any shampoo which has a neutral PH and is good against sebum will be good for the rest of the week. Copper peptides ones are a good solution too but (BUT) their efficacy against MPB is quiet not fair proven. There are studies which support copper peptides work against MPB (Folligen Tricomin) even approved by the FDA, but when you read user’s opinions… it seems something is wrong. You’ll have to make a balance among results/costs to keep using this Tricomin, there’s no other chance.

Point 5. No, it’s not necessary to use this products. There are many users satisfied with some of them (specially Revivogen, Crinagen and Eucapil) but also a very high rate of users would kick my ass while I’m writing this cause they think it’s a big waste of money, faith and time. Again, it’s up to you.

Jojoba oil and aloe vera are topical solutions (gels, oil) although there are shampoos too. You would have to apply the topical solution (kind of oil) on the scalp, better before bed time. Both are good for scalp irritation, sebum, inflammation, bacterias, etc. It are a good complements for hair care.

RU-58841 is the “guru” of all the baldness shit. It was (WAS) a very potent topical anti-androgen designed by a French laboratory, but all became a mystery. Lab closed, other pharmaceutical company made trials, again the product disappeared… a non-sleep story. It’s potency is about 16 times spiro and it’s binding to the androgen receptor is almost perfect; users who can get it and used it for years are quiet happy BUT there are also a few who say it’s too expensive and difficult and results are not “so” magic. Anyway, if you want to get RU, actually the only way is due a Chinese lab; you have to send them a mail and order a minimum amount of 10g raw powder ($300) to make your own solution at home… so, as you can see, it’s a big shit. If you look in hair loss forums you’ll find more info.

Hope it was helpful. Take care!

I have taken a little break from rogaine for the last month. I was just sick of doing it but I’m going to start again due to shedding I may switch to the foam.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Dino

Don’t stop Minox! I know it’s a pain in the butt but you will shed big time. Keep using it at least once a day.

Good luck.


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Originally Posted by Leatherface
Dino

Don’t stop Minox! I know it’s a pain in the butt but you will shed big time. Keep using it at least once a day.

Good luck.

It’s funny I didn’t shed at all for about three weeks and than it started big time, but I’m back on now maybe the little break will give me better results with it.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Good move. Yeah, I’ve quit meds for a few weeks thinking, ‘Hey nothing’s happening! Maybe I don’t need it.’ Then BOOM! Hair starts jumping off your head.

You don’t realize how helpful the treatments can be until you drop them.


"Look what your brother did to the door!"

Hey guys, I’ve just turned 22 and I’m starting to lose my hair. So far it’s just a blocking out of the sides and a little recession in the corners near the top, but it’s definitely begun and has probably been going on for at least 6 months. I’m correct in thinking that it doesn’t just start at 22, recede a little, and then stop for 10 years, right?

I really feel like I’m too young for this, and didn’t think it was something I would have to deal with for a long time. It scares the hell out of me. Reality is, though, that it’s something I have to deal with. I’m a tall, thin guy with ears that kind of point out so I don’t think I would look good shaving it all of if it keeps receding, so it’s really going to have to be finding a way to keep it.

What exactly can I do? This thread is 16 pages long and is partially old, so I’m not sure exactly what advice to follow. Can someone who has a good idea on the complete picture give me some advice on what treatment I should start? I’d rather not do Propecia seeing the people talking about side effects in this thread, but beyond that I’m not sure what exactly is effective or what I should take.

Hope you guys will help me out, because I need it. Thanks.

edit: The hair loss is so far just on the sides (temples), where the sideburns are, up to the normal top hairline. There is also some on the corners of my hairline. Is my only option for proven effectivness really propecia? Are the side effects really as likely to appear as people say?


Last edited by cu_z : 02-24-2008 at .

Cuz

I would at least start with Rogaine and if that stops your hair loss go no further if it doesn’t than you need to find something to block DHT like maybe Revivogen and if that doesn’t work the last resort is see if you tolerate Propecia.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

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