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Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning.

Nice post UkranianTitan. I am definitely one to over analyze; complete perfectionist too. But yeah, I totally agree with you, OCD is rife on these forums, and OCD is never good for emotional stability.


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

Wadzilla:

PE doubled the size of my boner, by volume - using the very methods discussed here. “Clever” enough for you?”

Sure. Whatever works for you. But it doesn’t answer my original question.

“The title of your thread is Jelqing has destroyed my life A warning. No “hysteria” there, of course not”

This is not my thread. Check again.

“don’t expect any kind of appreciable results”

I will value your opinion on this as much as I value your opinion on injuries in PE. That is not much.

Originally Posted by mrlength
I am sure you overtrained but I think aside factors may also be affecting you such as Medications, poor diet, stress, alcohol, high blood sugar, low thyroid, low testosterone.

Do you have diabetes?

Are you saying his “overtraining” was so severe that he needs an 11 month + rest. May I ask how do see the difference between overtraining and injury.

Yes, he may have one of those problems, and their ED consequence just happened to abruptly kick in while he was doing his jelqing and stay like that ever since.

Originally Posted by Gryphon
I am a member of the 3 most important forums in PE( my opinion), but I have never seen that the amounts of injured guys is even close to the amount of people thanking/ talking about their gains or improvements.

You said that you even think that the amount of people who gets injured might be even bigger than the people gaining, yet i don’t see any convincing argument backing that up. As I stated above, in almost 4 years in PE forums I have read of probably around 50-80 stories of guys who got permanent injuries.

You are right, some threads are dismissed right away because people think they are trolls and shit, and some just disappear forever. But common sense would say that if you get injured, you would like to keep yourself as informed as possible. What better way to achieve that other than keep posting in a place where most of the members do the same thing as yourself and don’t have an injury, or even better have gained?


If I were you I would ask myself if the people running those three forums depend on them. If their lifestyle and meals depend on the number of people PEing. That should give you a clue.

But you’re right. Maybe I underestimated the number of people gaining. I’ve been living in the injury world for a while now.

I don’t have the obligation to back anything up with “convincing argument”. Take it or leave it. If you asked for arguments maybe I would’ve given them to you. But I may be willing to do an experiment with you, presuming I remain in posting mood. For every person you can show me that got more than half an inch in girth with no maintainance required, I’ll give you someone injured (no maintainance required). Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Owen33

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If I were you I would ask myself if the people running those three forums depend on them. If their lifestyle and meals depend on the number of people PEing. That should give you a clue.

I don’t know any other PE forum than this. I’m pretty sure that no one here base his lifestyle and meals on the number of people PEing.

Originally Posted by Owen33

Yeah. The old “you could die crossing the street” argument.

Go ahead and dismiss it, but to be intellectually honest, in a given period of time in a random sample size of men, some will experience a diminution of erectile ability.

Now take a random sample of men doing PE over a given period of time. One would expect that some of them will experience a diminution of erectile ability. That does not mean that PE caused the diminution. Correlation does not equal causation.

On the other hand, to be fair, if you’re doing things to your dick beyond the standard forces of masturbation or intercourse, there is a greater chance of injury.

Originally Posted by Owen33

This is what you don’t realize until you’ve got permanent damage. There are many, many guys who’ve had damage from PE. Possibly more than those who gained at all, and definitely more than those who’ve had any gains that don’t require “maintainance”. Only about 1 in 10 injured comes to the forums making a fuss about it, others are not interested in this. So the whole thing is not even on your radar, until of course you are injured and start discovering this.

I would be fascinated to know the source of your statistics here. “Many, many” is hardly a precise quantification. “1 in 10”, on the other hand, is quite precise, but without some kind of source behind it, it lacks credibility.

Originally Posted by Owen33
Bear in mind a lot of PE boards have a very common practice to eradicate all traces of existence of anyone injured (often under the pretense of them being “trolls”), so you don’t even get to see the real picture. Just watch the slew of attacks this guy got immediately after reporting. It says a lot about the reality some PEers live in.

It says a lot about the reality of this site that we have a whole forum dedicated to injuries and treatments here: Injuries / Treatments

Oh, yeah - that’s the place where this very thread resides.

Originally Posted by Owen33
One person that got venous leakage and corrected it through surgery was asked by his uro did he “put his penis under any type of prolonged pressure like cock-ring?” Now compare wearing a cock-ring to doing clamping. Wait, it’s not even comparable.

Really? Very interesting once again. I’ll be waiting for the class action lawsuit against the cock-ring manufacturers, to remedy this menace against men’s penises.

I’d also be interested in the study that establishes causation between cock ring use and venous leakage.

Originally Posted by Owen33
Besides, don’t you find it strange that, with all the interest in penis size and enlargement in the world today, it is not medically and scientifically established that such and such a way to enlarge the penis consistently works? I’m sure you have clever arguments to combat this.

There are many threads here about PE and medical studies about its effectiveness, and why there isn’t more money put into that. :google:

Originally Posted by Owen33
One thing you also don’t realize is that many people’s slight ED is masked by the pumping or jelqing they’re doing, as this keeps the EQ up temporarily. I’ve seen not one but several injuries that revealed themselves after the guy stopped PE for a couple of days. And I’ve seen guys say that their EQ goes down unless they “do PE”. If they were smart, this would give them a clue. The penis should not need being put unders stress to function in a top notch way.

I don’t realize that. I’ve read thousands of posts here, and I don’t realize that. I have never seen a post here where someone said that they had to do PE to maintain their EQ. Size, yes, at least in some cases. Maybe even to sustain the improvements in their EQ over their original baseline, they may need to do some level of maintenance.

Originally Posted by Owen33
The real icing on the cake is that, with all the today’s medical progress, options for those who injured thier penises are very few. Close to none.

That wouldn’t surprise me. It’s a good reason to be careful with your dick.

Originally Posted by Owen33
Of course, I am not writing this to convince you personally. I’ve seen enough to know that such a thing never happens. But I might make someone else more careful in the future.

Careful is good. Cautious is good. Well informed before even starting PE is good.

Originally Posted by Owen33
I hope I will not be taken as someone who is trying to create hysteria. I am not. But I think I have the right to express my opinion. I am pretty sure what I say here will be taken for granted is a few years of the development of the PE community. Since, guys are not going to stop trying to enlarge their penis. And they will also not stop getting “injured” doing so.

And finally to get one thing clear: I don’t think that PE cannot work, under condition that it is extremely careful and extremely long term. I would even like to do some if I ever heal. But it wouldn’t be anything close to what is generally done.

You do have the right to express your opinion. However, there are things that you wrote in your post that seem less like opinion, and more like assertions of fact. If you’re going to do that here, be prepared to be challenged, and to back your assertions with citations.

Else, if you say that “There are many, many guys who’ve had damage from PE”, I can respond that “many, many, MANY have not, and that many, many have larger and better functioning penises as a result. I’m not sure that advances anyone’s understanding of the subject either way, though.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Hey, when it comes to the penis, any kind of diminution is not generally good news!


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by Owen33
I don’t think that PE cannot work, under condition that it is extremely careful and extremely long term. I would even like to do some if I ever heal. But it wouldn’t be anything close to what is generally done.

Dunno - I took a gentle cautious approach when I was actively PE’ing. The only “injury” I had was some red spots on my glans, which went away the next day.

And yet I managed to grow some.

The only permanent injury I have ever caused was a tiny burst vein. The thing is I did it from excess and aggressive masturbation when I was around 10 (I had just discovered it(:) . It now simply looks like a freckle on the top of my shaft.


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

Originally Posted by man-of-10

The only permanent injury I have ever caused was a tiny burst vein. The thing is I did it from excess and aggressive masturbation when I was around 10 (I had just discovered it(:) . It now simply looks like a freckle on the top of my shaft.

And you didn’t swear off masturbation as a result?


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

@ Marinera

“I don’t know any other PE forum than this. I’m pretty sure that no one here base his lifestyle and meals on the number of people PEing.”

Just to be clear: I was saying this about some other forums owned by people who live off PE.

@Lampwick

It is funny that you ask for the “source of my statistics” and speak about my “lack of credibility” (all the while your own “source of statistics” and “credibility” is non-existent). You’re not a board in front of which I have to pass an exam. Its take it or leave it. I didn’t even write this for guys like you. But if you continue to hand out dangerous opinions and advice to people be ready for one hell of an Afterlife.

“It says a lot about the reality of this site that we have a whole forum dedicated to injuries and treatments here: Injuries / Treatments”

This forum is not seen unless you’re a member. That is terribly misleading. Even the name of the forum is incorrect, misleading and downright ED encouraging. Basically even if you see the forum, you think that all injuries are minor and treatable. The forums should actually be called Injuries/Treatments/Impotence forum. Since it obviously encompasses some of that too.

This is in fact the only reason I am writing this. My only wish is that the modeling of the forum is rearranged in the way that people cannot not-see the risks involved as they learn about PE. The way things are, they can. Warning to Newbies doesn’t even pop up for me anymore. I have to dig it up. This way the stream of injured guys will just keep on flowing.

“I’ll be waiting for the class action lawsuit against the cock-ring manufacturers, to remedy this menace against men’s penises. I’d also be interested in the study that establishes causation between cock ring use and venous leakage.”

Dude, you just tread into pathetic. It was a sentence from one of the best ED experts there are. The kind you never had contact with. The question was asked in the course of establishing diagnosis and treatment, and the treatment was successful. It says enough. And you’ve seen nothing yet. Cockring is a terrorist attack compared to some other causes of leakage. So damn right: people shouldn’t wear cockrings if they don’t need them… or do anything out of the ordinary for that matter. Our chances of facing ED as we age are high enough as they are.

Dial back what? What forum rules am I about to break?

It’s unfortunate that you are not willing to reconsider the forum design. Can you elaborate why?

Your reasons are beyond my understanding but I will obey what you say as I need this forum for communication. Besides I’ve had enough of this discussion.

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