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Vacuum Pumping 101

LOL!! Alright thanks, i am not sure if night pumping is going to work for me, its a little loud the suction lol. Anyway thanks, :)

Some questions.

I did read the Pumping 101 and approx. Half the posts here.

What bothers me is the fact that while the talk goes about the same mechanism of tissue reproduction as in muscle training, the training routines are completely different.

For example: No sensible bodybuilder would ever exercise same muscle every day five days in a row. He knows that in order to recover, the muscle needs some 24 hours of rest and in order to over recover (which is the objective) it needs more.

So.
From here some questions arise. Is the collagen tissue, that we are trying to stretch with the pump, so much different from muscular tissue that it’s over-recovery takes less time.
Are the problems of over-training that some people have here, a result of not making rest days in between the exercises.

As of myself - Just bought a pump and started to exercise. In every other day. Too soon to tell what the effect is but it feels more full after just 3 exercises.

Karl:

One of the big problems with PE as science is that no one REALLY knows what is going on with PE. Real science would involve biopsies and blood samples and controls and such.

What we are doing is extrapolating and hypothesizing from other, better studied, tissues in the body. Other than that, what we do is somewhat anecdotal and experiential (experience-based). Please make sure to real the thread Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth! if you have not done so already. There are broad guidelines here on what does and doesn’t work, but absent true scientific protocol, you must learn what works for your own particular physiology. That’s part of the value of PIs - they help in adapting the broad principles to you specifically.

Good luck with your pumping. Keep your sessions at a low vacuum, and short at the start, and you’ll do fine. The rest days are a good idea; learning your PIs will help you know when you can either increase the frequency or duration of your sessions.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

The only muscles you have in your penis are not really “muscles” in the sense of those in your arms, legs, and elsewhere. You have only “smooth muscle tissue” in your penis which either relaxes during an erection, allowing a great deal of blood in, or does not relax thus preventing a good deal of blood from flowing in, as when you are flaccid.

During PE, the theory goes and I haven’t seen anything to convince me yet that it is not so, you very gradually create more cells that are specifically penile cells. More cavernosal tissue, more skin on the shaft to accommodate the gradual growth, an enhanced penile vascular system to feed the increase of penile tissues. You are not building biceps or quads; those processes require a different workout.


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avocet8

Originally Posted by Karl

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No sensible bodybuilder would ever exercise same muscle every day five days in a row. He knows that in order to recover, the muscle needs some 24 hours of rest and in order to over recover (which is the objective) it needs more.
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It’s off topic, I bag you little patience, but…
old strogmand did, and had fantastic results; also, when you train one muscle, others are less involved, but however are working, so each muscle is trained more times than what could seem on the chart.

Weigth-lifters train each bodypart up to 3 times a day, for a total of 6-18 workout/week.

Originally Posted by marinera
It’s off topic, I bag you little patience, but..
Old strogmand did, and had fantastic results; also, when you train one muscle, others are less involved, but however are working, so each muscle is trained more times than what could seem on the chart.

Weigth-lifters train each bodypart up to 3 times a day, for a total of 6-18 workout/week.

Just liked to add that without extensive use of the steroids, everyday training of the same muscle causes very little or no gains. But. People are different and there are always some exceptions.

Conclusion: It’s not that simple, but let it be ‘cause it’s off topic.

Originally Posted by avocet8
The only muscles you have in your penis are not really “muscles” in the sense of those in your arms, legs, and elsewhere. You have only “smooth muscle tissue” in your penis which either relaxes during an erection, allowing a great deal of blood in, or does not relax thus preventing a good deal of blood from flowing in, as when you are flaccid.

During PE, the theory goes and I haven’t seen anything to convince me yet that it is not so, you very gradually create more cells that are specifically penile cells. More cavernosal tissue, more skin on the shaft to accommodate the gradual growth, an enhanced penile vascular system to feed the increase of penile tissues. You are not building biceps or quads; those processes require a different workout.


Add to that the tunica and the ligs. Both probably change from PE, but if we knew more exactly how and why, we’d be able to do better, more effective PE.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Another odd question.

What is the fundamental difference between pumping and clamping.

In the first sight it seems obvious, that they are different, but the underlying forces that act on penis shall be the same. I.e. If one clamps, he makes internal pressure greater than external and thus generates expansion. And if one pumps, he makes external pressure lower than internal and thus generates expansion. What is the fundamental difference?

Originally Posted by Karl
Another odd question.

What is the fundamental difference between pumping and clamping.

In the first sight it seems obvious, that they are different, but the underlying forces that act on penis shall be the same. I.e. If one clamps, he makes internal pressure greater than external and thus generates expansion. And if one pumps, he makes external pressure lower than internal and thus generates expansion. What is the fundamental difference?

May I answer with a very simple statement?

I have done clamping in my first year of Pe, now I pump.
I felt clamping with device very dangerous, while pumping is relaxing. Both give me good gains.

I continue doing manual clamping between pump sets.

This post is great and very helpful. Thanks

For you who are pumping with a glass-pump, have you ever thought of “what if the glass crack and broke inwards?”. That would be a total disaster.

As I said in the cylinder thread, I’m not new to PE but I’m new to pumping. I’m not able to pump under water, so that’s out of the question. I need a great starting routine followed up by some hardcore stuff!
I’ve read all these 55 pages, but I’ve forgotten a lot already and some people got different routines. Please post a link to your routine, of if you haven’t written it down, please do so!

Thanks


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6

Originally Posted by Karl
Another odd question.

What is the fundamental difference between pumping and clamping.

In the first sight it seems obvious, that they are different, but the underlying forces that act on penis shall be the same. I.e. If one clamps, he makes internal pressure greater than external and thus generates expansion. And if one pumps, he makes external pressure lower than internal and thus generates expansion. What is the fundamental difference?


Clamping creates increased volume via increased (positive) pressure. Pumping creates increased volume via expansion from negative pressure (relative vacuum). They are opposites compared to the pressure baseline.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by TenInchGoal

For you who are pumping with a glass-pump, have you ever thought of “what if the glass crack and broke inwards?”. That would be a total disaster.

…and that would be a very good reason not to pump with a glass cylinder. Some have adapted other items to pumping, and some of those items have been made of glass. I would be extremely wary of pumping with something that could break into sharp pieces.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by Lampwick
Clamping creates increased volume via increased (positive) pressure. Pumping creates increased volume via expansion from negative pressure (relative vacuum). They are opposites compared to the pressure baseline.

So? The forces acting on tissue shall be the same. What matters is the pressure difference.

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