Pumping Gains Question

So basically I wanna know, from experienced pumpers, how permanent are pumping gains?

I understand there is a thing called edema which is basically fluid build up, correct? Is that a sign of gains (precursor) or simply a side effect of improper usage?

How long did it take before noticing gains from pumping? My goal is to add length currently (getting a 1.75”). I am aware a lot of you use it for girth though.

Is it reasonable to add pumping to my current regime and expect results? Or is that unreasonable?

I see many guys in here talking about “packing the tube” I am assuming this means just simply filling it all the way? Currently, I am 7.1” and getting a 9” cylinder.

Would constant use of a cylinder at least three times daily at 10 minutes possibly yield that result? And are there any lubricants you more experienced puppers would recommend?

Thanks everyone for you patience and understanding. I am so excited to start this new leg of the PE journey!!!!

All my gains, length and girth, are from pumping. And yes they are permanent. Hoping to add a little length from FIRe hanging, not there yet.

Pumping works by reducing the outside pressure to less than the inside pressure so the cc/cs of the penis will fill with blood thus stretching the tunica and other tissues causing growth.

Edema is caused by fluid build up in the tissues outside of the tunica. Edema is not a precursor to growth and while it may not hinder growth it does not help it.

On the other hand some guys (me included) will intentionally let the edema buildup to get a little more girth for sex. I call it “dial a dick”. Too much edema and it resembles a soggy lumpy mess. Still fun for me, less so for my wife. There’s a hard dick that is buried under a soft spongy layer. I can get to 7” girth easily and have been to 8” a couple of times. 8” is the spongy version. Still fun, but takes me a day or to recover from the skin stretching and sensitivity from that. Edema will re absorb in a couple to a few hours.

Everyone gains at different rates.

Adding another technique to your existing routine has the risk of over stressing your dick because you are doing too much which will result in poorer EQ. Only you can make that decision. If you are happy with your existing routine why are you wanting to add another technique? Kind of sounds like the flavor of the month. If you are doing too many things, how can you tell which is working, or more importantly, why nothing works?

That 9” tube sounds too long, Mrcsmxx. I’ve learned that the tube needs to be just a bit larger than your largest size—that’s my experience, anyway.

I am 1/8-inch under 8 inches. My 8.5-inch tube still feels difficult. It’s definitely better than the first day I used it. But it feels like work every time I use it. If I went up to 9, that would kill me again.

32 and DL. You guys are great. Thank you so much for the information and the experience that you have. I Hekka appreciate that.

I guess the reason I wanted to add the pumping is mostly because I wanted to. I know that sounds stupid but I really just wanna try it so bad haha.

It seems fun and interesting and thought that perhaps adding it to my routine might just give me different methods of enjoying my PE journey.

If that is a bad idea however I would reconsider. I do not want to have injury, I just wanna enjoy the journey and try so many new things.

Additionally, PE and TP has become a form of therapy for me in all honesty. PE is the only time I get to be me and do me how I want to (as you guys may know) so just fully diving in to this exhilarating challenge to my self and for myself is all I really focus on haha.

So the LeLuv cylinders seem to come in 9” or 12” only which was why I went with 9” do you have a different brand you would recommend?

Also a follow up question: currently I use an ADS. Do you think that using my ADS for length and then stacking a pump designated for girth would be helpful for dual gains?

Again thank you both for your wisdom and experience I really appreciate all you input!!!

My gains from the 1990s were permanent.

Some people get confused about the difference between “gains” and “edema.” You can pump your tool full of lymphatic fluid and make it huge for a while, but that’s not gains. Gains accumulate slowly over time. It’s like saying that clamping won’t give you gains because when you take the clamp off the swelling goes away.

Good enough. A lot of pumpers find the tube to be enjoyable instead of the often tedious routines of other forms of PE.

how long did it take you and what routine worked best for your pumping gains?

Hi 32, I have read many of your helpful posts but missed that you attribute all of your permanent gains to pumping. Interesting. I also feel I have increased my gains by pumping. Thanks.

I started pumping the first time, the beginning measurement was 6.5X5. I pumped for bout 4 or 5 months and reached 7X5. I had to quit and when I did, my length went down to just over 6.75 inches. This time around it didn’t take long to gain the length back although apparently, I’m getting a bit more girth, going from 5 inches mid-shaft to 5.25. Take my measurements with a grain of salt because I have issues with a ruler and tape measure, lol. I think pumping is a good routine to get into, it’s messy because of the lube and it can be expensive depending on what you buy. I think it works length and girth and that’s why it takes a bit longer to get gains from it. I don’t know if you’re doing stealth PE, but pumping is difficult to stealth because of the lube and cleaning the cylinder, that’s something else to consider. If you pump use heat and try to avoid injury, it’s really easy to lose track of what you’re doing and over pump because it looks impressive inside the cylinder.

Edema isn’t a precursor to gains and isn’t what you’re trying to achieve. If anything, it hinders progress. But it’s a common side effect of pumping.

The goal is engorging the corpus cavernosa so that the surrounding layers of connective tissue enlarge in size and the blood vessels within are stretched and encouraged to increase in size.

Forgot to answer your question on edema. I think it’s different from person to person, for me, too much edema leads to problems with my EQ. Poor EQ is a negative indicator so I usually try to steer clear of getting too much fluid build-up if I can.

My general rule is that if I get the doughnut, then it’s too much pressure/time. I personally get good results with heat and from 4-6 for pressure. I do sometimes go higher for short periods. And, I go 20-30 minutes, remove for 20-30 gentle jelgs and to induce erection (or close to) then back in. The girth in particular is great, with little edema and good induced hardness when done. By induced I mean I place a ring on and jelq/stroke to get what sometimes feels like an almost ready to burst size.

What is your exact pumping routine?
My current one is 2 30 min sets 3 days on 1 day rest. 5hg with light jelqs for 5 minutes after the 1st set. In 2 months I’m thinking i should add another 30 min set before bed at 5hg. What do you think?

I started pumping as a result of having gainswave treatment for ED, so did not know what I was doing. I found this place as a result of searching for answers. I made many mistakes from ignorance.

What I recommend for newbies is 10min at no more than -5inHg, expanding to two 10 min sessions daily when you think your dick is accustomed to pumping and effects of vacuum. Wrap your cylinder with heat pad, an FIR pad if you can afford it, a regular one if you cant. Over time expand to 15 min sessions or add a third 10min if you feel comfortable doing so.

Curiously, I gained most of my girth with no heat then added conventional heat pad and gained girth, then switched to FIR pad and got my last 1/4” of length.

I have wondered what my gains would have/could have been if I had known of this place and the knowledge available when I started pumping.

After you pump do you put anything on? So you don’t suggest anything longer then 15 minutes? Should I stop doing 30 minute sessions?

To start, definitely do shorter sessions. However, once acclimated, some veterans here may tell you that at least an hour total or even more can work wonders, all at low pressure. Titleist comes to mind, and I think Don Logan may weigh in as well. Everyone responds differently.
Another prior post wondered about other devices post-pump. I know opinions vary, but I usually try to immediately go into an ADS post my heated pump sessions, time willing. At least for a decent cool down period, but sometimes for more extended (no pun intended) times. .