Thunder's Place

The big penis and mens' sexual health source, increasing penis size around the world.

Pumping gains - MICRO Scar tissue gains?

12

Pumping gains - MICRO Scar tissue gains?

Micro scar tissue gains while pumping?

Lymphatic fluids help create collagen scar tissue. When you evenly stretch out your penis while pumping, you are creating micro tears that will result not only in cell division, but in micro scar tissue. THIS is why its important not to masturbate after pumping? When you massage collagen or scar tissue it breaks it up, and does so fast. Every doctor knows this. The biggest gains I acheived in girth was when the next day after intense pumping session I did not even touch my penis. This obviously would help micro scar tissue. This is not only a theory, but very true I believe. Any insight?

This is not a theory, but true, you believe? Well then it’s a theory. And my biggest gains came when I was jerking off two, three, and sometimes four times a day.

Mine did too, raybaby, and the fact that I was a teenager at the time (and not doing PE at all) I’m sure had nothing to do with it…. :)


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by jcgtampa

Micro scar tissue gains while pumping?

Lymphatic fluids help create collagen scar tissue. When you evenly stretch out your penis while pumping, you are creating micro tears that will result not only in cell division, but in micro scar tissue. THIS is why its important not to masturbate after pumping? When you massage collagen or scar tissue it breaks it up, and does so fast. Every doctor knows this. The biggest gains I acheived in girth was when the next day after intense pumping session I did not even touch my penis. This obviously would help micro scar tissue. This is not only a theory, but very true I believe. Any insight?

Any source?


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by Lampwick
Any source?

1) I talked to a plastic surgeon who said static lymphatic fluid will increase scar tissue. *Source: Dr. Jhonny Salomon

2)prolonged erection can scar the penis if not treated. - *Source : http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disor…_the_penis.aspx

3) Fibrosis - the mere presence of significant amounts of lymph fluid in the tissues over many years can lead to scarring and fibrosis of the tissues. Once infection and inflammation resolve there will inevitably be some residual scar damage to the tissues of the leg leading to slightly more swelling than before. This puts the leg at a slightly greater risk of infection. A vicious cycle can then develop with further infection leading to further swelling and so on. It is important to try and halt this process at an early stage when most of the changes in the leg are at a reversible stage. As well as swelling due to lymphoedema, the skin can become very thickened (hyperkeratosis) and abnormal. *Source: http://www.vascular.co.nz/lymphoedema.htm

4) As a general rule, the earlier and more consistently scar tissue is exercised, massaged and warmed, the less possibility of developing any long-term concerns. * Source http://www.integrative-healthcare.o…assage_tec.html


Last edited by jcgtampa : 10-11-2010 at .

1) Micro tears don’t create scar tissue, if you don’t have some illness.

2) Prolonged erections create fibrosis because lack of oxygenation, not because the stretching force.

3) lymphatic fluid caused by an inflammation can create scar tissue: the cause of scarring is inflammation, not the lymphatic fluid per se.

Is it not more worthwhile and relevant to actually look at longer-term studies of subjects using external vacuum device in the management of erectile dysfunction. If such devices gave problems wouldn’t they be more prominent and show up in such individuals?


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

I think you can find quite a few studies/reviews suggesting that the appropriate use of penis vacuum devices are safe. Here’s one. Has anybody found any studies suggesting long-term use leads to some side-effects?

“CONCLUSION: These results suggest that the vacuum device is an effective and safe treatment for impotence of various aetiologies, especially for those patients with arteriogenic impotence.”

The mean follow-up period was 12.8 months.

http://rejoynmedical.com/services/a…cle=VT_treating


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

From peyronies disease forum:

“Many people ask for my advice about a ‘penis pump.’ Here is the basic problem with the VED (Vacuum erection devices): You and I have both definitely proven that we have penile tissue that is susceptible to injury and when injured (and even when not injured), we can develop an excess scar reaction. If you injure the penis by over-stretching, as is easy to do since there is no way to know at what point is the point of over-stretching, you will create more Peyronies plaque material. Most men will probably over use the VED just because they get excited when they see the results the device can produce temporarily. If you are prone to Peyronie’s disease anyway, this kind of tissue stretching can be a disaster. The only way you can safely use a VED is to not over use it; the problem is there is no way to know what is over use and abuse until it is too late.”

“In my time communicating with men who have Peyronie’s disease, I have found a surprisingly large percent of them who state their initial injury that resulted in their Peyronies can be traced back to use of a VED. These are the men who started out simply wanting to increase their penile dimensions, and injured themselves to the point that Peyronie’s disease developed. While there are a few men who say a VED helps them, there are many more who say it does not.”

http://www.peyronies-disease-help.c…tag/vacuum-pump

And on the other side suggesting benefits of VED in peyronies there is this study:

“CONCLUSION Vacuum therapy can improve or stabilize the curvature of PD (peyronies disease), is safe to use in all stages of the disease, and might reduce the number of patients going on to surgery.”

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/…10.09365.x/full

Confusing!


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Interesting link. Wondering if the way they use it for ED therapy is probably different, which may limit the comparison to safety when used for PE?

This was also interesting, and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Avocet8 say this in at least one of his posts:

“Although unproven, repeated application of the vacuum device may lead to improvement in the intracavernosal sinusoidal distension which possibly explains the satisfactory result in those with aeteriogenic impotence. Bosshardt et al (17) recently reported improvements in the duration and extend to nocturnal penile tumescence and rigidity after patients used the vacuum device for 2 weeks at home. Patients who reported having spontaneous morning erections showed significant improvements in total erection time, erection phase and plateau-phase duration, effective rigidity and tumescence increase. Bosshardt et al concluded that the increase in penile volume during the application of the device was caused not only by arterial inflow, but also by venous backflow.”


11/2009: 6.25 NBPEL/6.5 BPEL, 4.7 MEG/4.95 Base EG

current: 6.7 NBPEL / 7.0 BPEL, 4.95 MEG/5.2 Base EG

Here’s the most recent 2010 histological animal study regarding possible mechanisms of vacuum pumping therapy:

Molecular Mechanisms of Vacuum Therapy in Penile Rehabilitation: A Novel Animal Study

Erectile function was improved with Vacuum erection device (VED) therapy measured by ICP/MAP ratios and AUC(Area under curve). VED therapy reduced HIF-1a expression and AI (apoptotic indices) significantly compared with control. Animals exposed to VED therapy had decreased TGF-b1 expression, increased smooth muscle/collagen ratios, and preserved ASMA (a-smooth muscle actin) and eNOS (endothelial nitric oxide synthase) expression.

Conclusions: To our knowledge, this is the first scientific study to suggest that VED therapy in the BCNC rat model preserves EF through antihypoxic, antiapoptotic, and antifibrotic mechanisms.

Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20674151

Full pdf
http://european-urology.com/article/S0302-2838(10)00657-3/pdf/Molecular+Mechanisms+of+Vacuum+Therapy+in+Penile+R ehabilitation%3A+A+Novel+Animal+Study


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Animals???!!

The researchers would have preferred to use human penises, but they had a difficult time finding human male subjects willing to have their penises sliced, stained and put under a microscope.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Originally Posted by bohm
Here’s the most recent 2010 histological animal study regarding possible mechanisms of vacuum pumping therapy:

Molecular Mechanisms of Vacuum Therapy in Penile Rehabilitation: A Novel Animal Study

Erectile function was improved with Vacuum erection device (VED) therapy measured by ICP/MAP ratios and AUC(Area under curve). VED therapy reduced HIF-1a expression and AI (apoptotic indices) significantly compared with control. Animals exposed to VED therapy had decreased TGF-b1 expression, increased smooth muscle/collagen ratios, and preserved ASMA (a-smooth muscle actin) and eNOS (endothelial nitric oxide synthase) expression.

Conclusions: To our knowledge, this is the first scientific study to suggest that VED therapy in the BCNC rat model preserves EF through antihypoxic, antiapoptotic, and antifibrotic mechanisms.

Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20674151

Full pdf
http://european-urology.com/article/S0302-2838(10)00657-3/pdf/Molecular+Mechanisms+of+Vacuum+Therapy+in+Penile+R ehabilitation%3A+A+Novel+Animal+Study

Very interesting study, bohm. Thanks for posting it.


Starting stats: 6.4" / 5.6" Current Stats: 7.4" / 5.8" Short term goal: 7" / 6" Long term goal: 8" / 6.5"

Top
12
Similar Threads 
ThreadStarterForumRepliesLast Post
Vacuum Pumping 101avocet8Penis Pumps195012-01-2017 09:43 PM
PUMPING: Bombeo en aguarfjBombas para Agrandar el Pene10407-05-2012 01:28 AM
Achieve Permanent Gains W/ PumpingSwingingPenis Pumps5110-05-2005 04:17 AM
PumpingsupersizeitPenis Pumps005-22-2003 02:13 PM

All times are GMT. The time now is 01:08 AM.