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Originally Posted by pauly891

marinera….this is Bibs opinion on post #22

have no idea what the writer meant. PE is all about controlled damage. Controlled damage means tissue deformation. Tissue deformation is going to entail inflammation and swelling.

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False. Inflammation of connective tissue happens only when a gros-tissue rupture is caused; when this happens, you have also scar formation, and the healing require weeks or months, not hours. I hope you don’t aim to completely break your penis in the hope that it will heal longer.

“Intrinsic fibroblast-mediated remodeling of damaged collagenous matrices in vivo

Paolo P. Provenzanoa, b, , , Adriana L. Alejandro-Osoriob, c, Wilmot B. Valhmub, Kristina T. Jensena, b and Ray Vanderby, Jr.a, b

aDepartment of Biomedical Engineering, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States bDepartment of Orthopedics and Rehabilitation, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States cDepartment of Biomolecular Chemistry, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI, United States

Abstract

Numerous studies have examined wound healing and tissue repair after a complete tissue rupture and reported provisional matrix and scar tissue formation in the injury gap……………In this study, we examine subfailure (Grade II sprain) damage to collagenous matrices in which no gross tissue gap is present and a localized concentration of provisional matrix or scar tissue does not form. ……….. following subfailure tissue damage, collagen I and III expression was suppressed after 1 day, but by day 7 expression of both genes was significantly increased over controls, with collagen I expression significantly larger than type III expression. …………this remodeling process appears intrinsic with little or no inflammation response as damaged tissues show no changes in macrophage or neutrophils levels following injury and expression of the inflammatory markers,……….. Therefore, following a Grade II subfailure injury to the collagen matrix, we conclude that tissue remodeling is fibroblast-mediated and occurs without scar tissue formation, but instead with type I collagen fibrillogenesis to repair the tissue.

Matrix Biology, Volume 23, issue 8, January 2005, pag. 543-555”

Subfailure damage repairing in ligaments

Originally Posted by pauly891

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But what do I know. I have only been doing this for over ten years.

Ten years? Interesting. He said he gained 4.5” EL in 2 years, just wondering how much he has gained in over ten years.

Originally Posted by pauly891

lonely… this is Bibs opinion on post #17

Total horseshit. Collagenous tissue does not contract, etc. It is like bone in response, a structural tissue. The only way the ligs could “contract”, would be when they swell, which is not a bad thing. Ligs cannot “shorten” on their own.

Swelling of ligs is not a bad thing?

There is a reaction or mechanism in the body that will respond when amounts of stress reach certain thresholds. I believe we can all demonstrate this reflex by loading the penis and experiencing the result. It really is not debatable that the phenomenon happens, both cold and trauma cause a receding of the penis and testicles as natures way of protecting sperm and health of the organ. Exactly what physiology is involved in this retraction maybe debatable but the response is not. I am just offering you my opinion on healthful and growth inducing methods for hanging. If increasing weight on the penis resulted in continued incremental growth we would all have 10” penis’, I am just saying adding heavier loads on the penis does not correlate into increased length in all circumstances. And the reason for this is the limited capacity of the inner penis.

now you guys got BIB mad at me, thanks alot, hes my hero, he created the hangers, BIB hanger

What’s the punishment for that?

Originally Posted by pauly891
now you guys got BIB mad at me, thanks alot, hes my hero, he created the hangers, BIB hanger


I’m pretty sure you have yourself to blame for that. You’re making it appear that Bib is posting by proxy while BIB chose not to post here anymore.

You can quote from another forum and discuss it here if you add a source and vice versa but don’t go back and forth and spread the discussion over multiple forums.

Also please read the Posting Rules.

yea Piet I got it, fixed up my hanging log too, no more … and spaces

It sounds like you moved up too soon.

The skin has to condition to be able to tolerate higher weights.

I only move up .5-2 lbs a week, usually.

Take it slow.. or slow-ER, man! You will get to the point where the weight you hang causes great fatigue by the end of your session and you’ll need to reduce, but you can’t just add more and mroe weight right away to try and get there. It has to happen gradually, or your skin will cry and hate you.

~L


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I cant remember the original question but someone, hanging 40lb of weight from the penis for some reason stuck in my mind! At the moment I am hanging 5 KG about 11lbs and for me this seems enough and have built up to this starting at 7lbs. Doing 2 sets of 30-35 minutes with a rice sock for heat averaging 6 days per week. There is a numbing effect but it is not a problem for me. Taking about 20 minute rest before the second set. I think I have gained a little in length about as much as a ants cock but look I am an optimist and hope gains will follow shortly.

Thinking of 40lbs hanging from my penis would be madness, what if you sneeze while hanging or stumble a little and the force of the weight is increased. A very brave man would hang 40 lbs. Surely a serious injury would result. Before hanging 5kg I wanted to know the force that I was causing while stretching. I found out by placing some bathroom scales on a wall and pushed against it as if I were stretching my penis the force was about 9-10 kg.

There is always a risk of injury while performing PE but 40 lbs is a lot of risk. Good luck with your efforts and gains godspeed.

Did Bib suggest changing your hanging angle Pauly? I bet that’s your issue, more than just tough ligs. I have a high “LOT”, as per Bibs theory, and although I enjoy hanging BTC, I get more exhaustion from my BTC hanging, after loosening things up with my pulley and some SO exercises.

All the slippage your mentioning must be giving you some new foreskin. I have had success experimenting with heat, and different angles.

How much can you hang SO Pauly? Following timelines Bib has set out in various articles, you should now be considered one of those guys who has no lig gains available, and should be moving on to tunica based exercises.


I'm consistent in spurts, but gains are undeniable!

2007: BPEL 5.5" / MSEG 4.7" / BG 5.5"

2017: BPEL 6.8" / MSEG 5.3" / BG 6"

Hopeful,
don’t worry, I know what I’m doing, I am somewhat new to hanging, I messed around with SO and SU for 3 months, but never stuck too one angle, and worked my way up in weight.
I did the test and it was determined BTC was my angle too focus on….with the tests I was deceived by the whole pullback thing and thats why I did the upper angles for a couple months, I think I got too 12.5 lbs SO.

why would being at 22 lbs. mean I should switch angles, it may take getting to a higher weight too gain. I think it could be my girth giving me the hard gain problems. I may have gained, cause I was doing sexytime last night and was like hmmmm maybe I should measure.LOL. I doubt someone would have no lig gain potential, unless they have a long rod, which I don’t. I should probably gain at each angle, why wouldn’t I. You just need time and appropriate stress, thats what I understood.With the fulcrum, gains now are limitless!!! shhhhh ;)

Originally Posted by pauly891
Hopeful,
don’t worry, I know what I’m doing, I am somewhat new to hanging, I messed around with SO and SU for 3 months, but never stuck too one angle, and worked my way up in weight.
I did the test and it was determined BTC was my angle too focus on….with the tests I was deceived by the whole pullback thing and thats why I did the upper angles for a couple months, I think I got too 12.5 lbs SO.

why would being at 22 lbs. mean I should switch angles, it may take getting to a higher weight too gain. I think it could be my girth giving me the hard gain problems. I may have gained, cause I was doing sexytime last night and was like hmmmm maybe I should measure.LOL. I doubt someone would have no lig gain potential, unless they have a long rod, which I don’t. I should probably gain at each angle, why wouldn’t I. You just need time and appropriate stress, thats what I understood.With the fulcrum, gains now are limitless!!! shhhhh ;)

I’m not a fan of Bibs theories. Very few people claim to have changed their erection angle through PE exercises. I’m in the same boat, while having only gained a little over a half inch so far: My erection still points to the same spot in the sky. As far as SO and other such angles: they give a different sort of stretch, and the ache I get from doing them is in a different spot. Pulley stretches place a more uniform, intensity than BTC stretching, and help reach exhaustion when using different angles together.

Don’t give up on Bibs approach, but don’t treat the man like he is the only one who has gained from PE. There are plenty of guys on here with comparison pics, who believe stretching the tunica is the only way to gain. I feel my ligs stretching while hanging, but I’m not a big believer they can be stretched as much as some believe to gain.

I suppose if I ever find my unit closer to my a-hole, then I’ll start to believe in the lot theory.


I'm consistent in spurts, but gains are undeniable!

2007: BPEL 5.5" / MSEG 4.7" / BG 5.5"

2017: BPEL 6.8" / MSEG 5.3" / BG 6"

hopeful,

first off I didn’t realize that yellow dude at the end of my last post was blowing a kiss, I thought it was a wink LOL

stretching the tunica is the only way to gain.

ok that is wrong, just so wrong, so your basically calling anyone who has gained BTC liars?Thats offensive

Noone is calling anyone liar. And apply the Forum Guidelines about grammar and capitalization - last time that I ask.

Originally Posted by dieselpower
I cant remember the original question but someone, hanging 40lb of weight from the penis for some reason stuck in my mind! At the moment I am hanging 5 KG about 11lbs and for me this seems enough and have built up to this starting at 7lbs. Doing 2 sets of 30-35 minutes with a rice sock for heat averaging 6 days per week. There is a numbing effect but it is not a problem for me. Taking about 20 minute rest before the second set. I think I have gained a little in length about as much as a ants cock but look I am an optimist and hope gains will follow shortly.

Thinking of 40lbs hanging from my penis would be madness, what if you sneeze while hanging or stumble a little and the force of the weight is increased. A very brave man would hang 40 lbs. Surely a serious injury would result. Before hanging 5kg I wanted to know the force that I was causing while stretching. I found out by placing some bathroom scales on a wall and pushed against it as if I were stretching my penis the force was about 9-10 kg.

There is always a risk of injury while performing PE but 40 lbs is a lot of risk. Good luck with your efforts and gains godspeed.

Diesel, I hang 40lbs, worked up over 2 years. BTC. It’s not dangerous. However, you’re right about sneezing. The worst!


Hog before: 6'' NBPEL; 5'' MSEG---->> Hog now: 7.3" NBPEL; 5 1/4" MSEG; 8.5 BPFSL

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