Hard Gainers

Another thing, pauly: cut al those “….”, please.

That is a very heavy load you are hanging, excessive weight does not necessarily equate to more gains. I do not know how long you have been hanging but for that amount of weight you should either have a very well conditioned penis or a large penis to take the load. You could be doing more harm then good, when you over stress the penis it will resist and retract against the load (a survival reflex), you want to avoid this feeling. You want your suspensory structure to relax under a good stretch or hang, when the survival reflex is active your ligs shorten.

marinera the only reason i got the thrombosed vein was from 5-10 mins jelqing after hanging….I have a thread on Bibs forum and with Bibs help all the way through, I have got too this weight, i was going up every 7-10 days, now with the thrombose and fact I’m up so high in weight, it will probably be more like 14 days when I go up weight,I’ve been at 22 lbs. as my max for the past 14 days, but I’m leary of going up, because I’ve been getting some slippage, and the thrombose is still there

3.5 months BTC lonelysurfer, 6 sets a day…..I’m 5.5 EL,girth dunno

You could be doing more harm then good, when you over stress the penis it will resist and retract against the load (a survival reflex), you want to avoid this feeling. You want your suspensory structure to relax under a good stretch or hang, when the survival reflex is active your ligs shorten.

what would this “feeling ” feel like?slippage?thats the first I heard of all this,kind of worrying, I hope I’m not going up too fast

Marinera thats kind of disrespecful saying I need to go back and read hanging 101, I don’t really think I’m going up too fast, I’m doing full 20 min sets…….so what your saying is go down to 14 lbs. as my max or something? I’ve been doing strictly BTC for 3.5 months/ 6 sets a day

I haven’t been hanging very long, and I’m not an expert, but it seems to me that you may be a little too aggressive with your routine. Are you jelqing also? One of the hanging vets who achieved good gains hanging stated he hung for a couple hours a day (SD) and jelqed and made significant girth and length gains.

I can’t see anything disrespectful in that. I think you are missing a basic point, as I said, and I’m going to repeat: when hanging, time is the basic factor, not weight.

To understand this point, just do a very simple experiment: find a fish scale, and see how much force you can exert when doing manual stretch. I bet you can exert more force than 45 lbs.

You hope that, raising weight gains will start coming: now, let’s say your gains will start when you reach 30 lbs; what’s next? In your perspective, you should go ahead raising again the weight, or gains will stop. So, you are going to hang multiple hours daily with 30+ lbs. Do you think your suspensory lig can stand this treatment without any consequences? When hanging, the weaker ring of the link isn’t TA, but ligs. Chance are that going that way, you’ll get a ligaments inflammation.

Ok Marinera,all my sets are usually 20 minute sets, or close too,so the time is being put in……. so you think I should go up slower then? I have stayed at 22 lbs. as my max for 15 days……

Do you think your suspensory lig can stand this treatment without any consequences? When hanging, the weaker ring of the link isn’t TA, but ligs. Chance are that going that way, you’ll get a ligaments inflammation.

I’ve never heard of that kind of injury, what ligs inflation?I’m a little freaked Marinera….I dunno I was told I could go up weight every week or 2, I did thats why I’m at such a high weight, my dick is really conditioned, its tired alot of the time, I do get slippage too, I’ll get slippage after 10 mins sometimes, thats when I stop and lower weight by 1.5 lbs….I don’t think I’m going to go up more than once or twice a month with the weight I’m at

I simply can’t understand your last post, pauly. Can’t you write in better form? I already asked to you to avoid so many “…..”, it’s written in the forum guidelines, also. We are pretty serious about grammar and spelling here, since many members (like me, in example) aren’t English mother tongue.

I did not start hanging 20lbs until after 18months and then gave it up quickly. It was too stressful and caused the penis to turtle or resist the load. The feeling is tightness and a shortened penis due to retracting against the load. It would be like having your arm pulled too hard; at first you can relax and the stretched arm is more or less comfortable, but once the load on the arm exceeds a threshold you will have to resist the stretch with your muscles or you will dislocate your shoulder (this would be a natural reflex to avoid damage).

Your penis has these thresholds too. We all get over zealous at times and apply forces that exceed thresholds for growth and as a consequence we do more harm then good. We all find our limits and what works best for growth, in finding those limits we have all crossed the line and had to reign in the desire to get “huge.” PE is a marathon and it is never a good thing to empty the tank in the first 5 miles.

Lonelysurfer I have direct dialogue with BIB, the guy who created the hangers,I copy and pasted your post and he said,what you said was horses**t

That’s a reasoned answer!

I believe growth is a result of exposing the “inner penis” and in order to do this you have to weaken suspensory tissue so that your erectile pressure can achieve a larger erection. I can only relate my experience and the barriers that curtail growth. From a common sense perspective your experience tells me you are exceeding comfort thresholds, only you know if the PE activities your engaged in are positive and enhancing growth. I have gained a lot in additional size and can only comment based on the experience I have had over 5 years.

lonely… this is Bibs opinion on post #17

Total horseshit. Collagenous tissue does not contract, etc. It is like bone in response, a structural tissue. The only way the ligs could “contract”, would be when they swell, which is not a bad thing. Ligs cannot “shorten” on their own.

marinera….this is Bibs opinion on post #22
have no idea what the writer meant. PE is all about controlled damage. Controlled damage means tissue deformation. Tissue deformation is going to entail inflammation and swelling.

Does the writer just want to coax gains? What does he think the mechanism for gains is? Just a bit of weight here and there, and gains will come?

Well, you hung at lower weights for a good while, and gained nothing. So what would his answer be?

One more time. The key to gains is stretching and deforming tough collagenous tissues, either the ligs, if potential for gains is there, or the tunica (any time). The way to do this is to reach fatigue, and ride that fatigue, for at least ten hours per week. The amount of stress, weight required to reach fatigue is different for every guy, and different at each point in each guy’s hanging career.

But what do I know. I have only been doing this for over ten years.