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Pragmatic PE - Fowfers and thoughts

Fowfers don’t get the attention that hanging does, and when fowfers are spoken of an afterwards wrapping, or ads (such as Peni Master, etc), or golf weights are seldom if ever brought up. I figure that since fowfers can be done throughout the day perhaps PEers don’t consider followup traction or weights necessary.

I’ve fowfered from time to time, and usually without any followup, and I have gained some erect and flaccid from fowfers without any followup. I was doing the exercise several times/day, scattered throughout the day.

I have thought about all this before, and in the past have tried fowfers for a brief period of time with wrap afterwards. I don’t think I was seeing any gains during that period and dropped the routine at that time. However, just wrapping only considers the tunica, and since the tunica is slower to gain from, perhaps I gave up too soon. Perhaps by following up with golf weights (or an ads device) it would be more effective, as that would keep both the ligs and tunica from retracting.

There aren’t enough detailed discussions about fowfers, and it doesn’t seem that many PEers do that exercise. Why can’t fowfers be as effective as hanging? Maybe it is unnecessary to followup fowfers with wrap, ads, or weights, provided one fowfers throughout the day?

With hanging, it’s important that the internal structure, not just skin, become engaged during the pull. Perhaps fowfers can’t engage the internal structure as much as it needs to be? If this is the case, then I can see how tunica gains would be extremely slow (if at all), much slower than even when hanging, and lig gains would be the only part to really count on. In that case, then just performing fowfers sessions at one time in a day (not throughout the day), and then just wrapping (not putting the ligs under any followup tension), might indeed be a waste of time.

If so, then scattered throughout the day fowfering, or followup weights or ads device (targeting the ligs) might be necessary in order to achieve gains from fowfers.

If so, then fowfers may only be good for lig gains, and therefore especially limited in usefulness to PEers that have already tapped into the easier early lig gains.

However, seemingly contradicting what I just said, my dick is in a stretched state immediately after fowfering. For my dick to look like that after fowfering should mean the internal structures are getting pulled also, right?

These are all just some thoughts. at any rate, Fowfers - under the leg pulls while seated - just haven’t gotten much air time at Thunder’s has it?

>…haven’t gotten much air time at Thunder’s has it?<

Even fow1 doesn’t rate them. The last thread I read from him on PEF, he was saying he thought they only stretched skin.

Well, I assume you’re referring to the tunica —- when fowfering I do feel the ligs being pulled.

I have gained in erect length from fowfers and perhaps it was just lig gain. Still though, the practicality of fowfers could help some, especially newbies (after they’ve conditioned their dicks first), with lig gains before they quit, and perhaps even give them the confidence in PE to continue on for years. Many members don’t see PE through, and there are many causes. Amongst those causes are the impracticality of hanging for some PEers, or even just growing weary of manually pulling on their dicks. Hands get tired, and manually pulling is boring. Not enough pulling time is done, then hardly any gains are seen, followed by people becoming discouraged and giving up. Even if fowfers are only good for flaccid gains and erect lig gains, at least that would offer the early-on encouragement that some need to have the confidence that PE can work for them.

And are we sure tunica gains can’t be had from fowfering? The theory and practice of fowfers appears quite limited at this point.


Last edited by beenthere : 09-21-2005 at .

>Well, I assume you’re referring to the tunica <

No I was referring to fow1 referring to the skin (the stuff the covers the penis).

I do fowfers at night, Not sure if it helps in gaining, But it does keep the penis from turtling.

It is very easy to do, easiest PE excersice I know of.

I understood that memento. I ain’t always clear. To be clearer about the point I was trying to make, I find it a bit difficult to see why he only believed the skin was being stretched when the ligs feel as though they are receiving a good pull. I can understand if he believed only the skin of the penis was lengthening, and not the tunica, but with the ligs I’m a bit baffled why he didn’t think they would respond since they are under a fair amount of tension. I’ve read a post by him before, and I’m aware he only gained flaccid length, but it was early on and should have been judged inconclusive by him. imho


Last edited by beenthere : 09-21-2005 at .

Originally Posted by kristian69
I do fowfers at night, Not sure if it helps in gaining, But it does keep the penis from turtling.

It is very easy to do, easiest PE excersice I know of.

kristian,

Since you said at night, I’ll ask this. Are you doing seated fowfers (pulling you dick under your butt cheek or thigh —-the type I’m speaking of), or are you doing BG’s bed fowfers?

Thanks. It’s difficult getting much input in a fowfer thread.

beenthere, I wasn’t aware there’s much of a difference between the 2. I’m using BG’s anti turtle method so far, and while too early for conclusions, i do have hope for it. Anyways, at times it does feel like just skin pulling, but I’ll attribute that to bad fowfering. Most of the time I do get a decent lig stretch. I will say though it seems to have increased my flaccid for obvious reasons.


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You do not have to worry about the “turtle” or the retraction of the penis, this is just the normal process. You do not require an ADS or any other type of traction device ( it is just not necessary). You have built-in capacity and the 2 or 3 traditional exercises will result in exploiting this “hidden capacity.”

Your penis is like a power antenna. For lack of a better description, your tunica is much like the mast segments of the antenna; when you engorge the shaft of the penis it begins to extend (just like a power antenna). Now, in our pre-PE state we have segments that are stuck; what do we do with our power antenna,? we usually apply WD-40 to the affected area to loosen up the segment. Well, your deconditioned penis responds similarly, its stuck and not completely extending, so we must “unstick” the offending part. The stress of hanging or stretching will result in a full extension of your shaft.

We are not getting new length from the deformed suspensory structures (if this were the case, than everyone would just get more length forever and ever), if you had a hard time, you would just add a greater load. You see it does not work like this, the tunica can neither be created or destroyed (barring explosives). The vast majority of us have an inner penis that can be exploited for length gains, if we have no inner penis than there are no length gains.

This brings us to “growers” and “showers,” some showers have most of their penis exposed and hence when they get hard there is not a great disparity between their erect length and their flaccid length. I have always been a fan of Xavier Hollander back in the days of her column in “Penthouse,” she once said she could never estimate a man’s erect length from a look at his flaccid size, she said, “I have been with men that had 2” flaccid that would engorge to 8” and I have been with men with large flaccid that were only 6” erect.”

Ultimately, it will be your inner penis that will determine your optimum length. You can determine this size by just stretching it out under a load and measuring. You do not have to worry about retraction of your penis to its cave inside your body, this is a natural response to trauma, you do not have to keep the penis from its cave. When it is time for your penis to engorge it will work like the power antenna and periscope out, and like the power antenna it will only rise so high and then there are no more segments to release. Your penis is the same way; after serious conditioning it will rise to its optimum size and then there will be no more.


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Originally Posted by Shilow
Ultimately, it will be your inner penis that will determine your optimum length.

This begs the million dollar question, how much inner penis does one have? I read there was a study here trying to determine that, however I didn’t read to see about the results of it.


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Originally Posted by JumboDog
beenthere, I wasn’t aware there’s much of a difference between the 2. I’m using BG’s anti turtle method so far, and while too early for conclusions, i do have hope for it. Anyways, at times it does feel like just skin pulling, but I’ll attribute that to bad fowfering. Most of the time I do get a decent lig stretch. I will say though it seems to have increased my flaccid for obvious reasons.

Jumbo,

Tucking the dick under a butt cheek or thigh while seated, and then sliding forward in the seat, puts a much more intense pull on the ligs and penis than bed fowfers. Bed fowfers are anti turtle to help prevent an undoing of previous length work. Seated fowfers are actively involved in length work. Just how effective seated fowfers are toward gaining erect length is unclear, but I consider it possibly underrated.

Originally Posted by Shilow
<You do not have to worry about the “turtle” or the retraction of the penis, this is just the normal process. You do not require an ADS or any other type of traction device ( it is just not necessary). You have built-in capacity and the 2 or 3 traditional exercises will result in exploiting this “hidden capacity.” >

For those new and reading Shilow’s post, many here wear traction devices and disagree with Shilow’s viewpoint.

< I have always been a fan of Xavier Hollander back in the days of her column in “Penthouse,” she once said she could never estimate a man’s erect length from a look at his flaccid size, she said, “I have been with men that had 2” flaccid that would engorge to 8” and I have been with men with large flaccid that were only 6” erect.”.>

This is where many will agree with Shilow and disagree with me. The topic is controversial, and both sides can provide support for their belief in this. Imo, there is a correlation between unstretched flaccid lengths and erect lengths. In the database here, I once compared the pre pe unstretched flaccids of many of the 3 inchers to the 5 inchers, and saw that the while the 3” flaccids did gain some ground when erect, but they didn’t catch up with the 5 inch flaccids, in general. At that time I came up with 3” flaccid -5 3/4” erect. 5” flaccid-7 1/4” erect. Closing the gap 1/2”. However, I didn’t finish the entire database.

beenthere


Last edited by beenthere : 09-24-2005 at .

Above has been edited to “unstretched” flaccid. I had “outstretched” accidently written in.

Originally Posted by beenthere
kristian,

Since you said at night, I’ll ask this. Are you doing seated fowfers (pulling you dick under your butt cheek or thigh —-the type I’m speaking of), or are you doing BG’s bed fowfers?

Thanks. It’s difficult getting much input in a fowfer thread.

I do the BG`s bed fowfers when I sleep, At day/evening I wear my extender.

Fowfers should be a way of life in PE

Guys, before I get started on my soapbox here, let me first say I love Shilow’s power antenna analogy. The penis is indeed structured this way. It actually telescopes in and out of itself, this is why a big dick sliding in and out of a pussy is such a powerful illusion in the porn film business. The telescoping effect makes an optical illusion that the woman is taking a lot more length than she really is, but that’s another story. On topic, what this means is, the dick IS like a telescope or power antenna, this is precisely why Fowfers and keeping extended is so important. Also, this is why I think manual stretching that pulls from the tip works internal structures better than gripping the sides of the tunica, which mostly stretches skin. It is also why I am very interested in some of the NEW hangers such as mbuc and mbus’s SuckExtender and some of the vacuum hanger devices now being talked about and invented, like the one used after PE surgery, what’s it called the, Track-Man or something like that. Pulling the penis by gripping the sides, I feel is the OLD SCHOOL here. Of course, so far it is still the SAFEST way to avoid injury to the dorsal nerve bundle and the dorsal vein, but I wonder at how efficient these type of hangers really are. Other than comparing the penis to a power antenna, I’m afraid I otherwise disagree with everything in Shilow’s post whole heartedly and here is why.

In my opinion it is extremely important to keep your flaccid extended at all times but especially after hanging heavy weights. I agree that turtling is the body’s way of protecting an ailing penis. When the penis is traumatized, either by rough sex or PE or cold weather the body pulls it up inside the fat pad where it can, “Lick its wounds” so to speak. In other words the power antenna telescopes inside itself and tucks away in the classic turtle we all hate. When retracted deep inside the WARM, SAFE fat pad this little cave becomes a kind of sanctuary where the penis can heal up without any threat of anymore trauma. The penis on most animals retract when not in use. This may be biologically acceptable, but aesthetically it sucks.

If you let it heal in this retracted state, not only will you not gain flaccid length, but I honestly feel you may cause your penis to get even shorter!!! I put this in bold because I’m shouting here guys!!! It is not that hard to keep extended. I’ve written many a post about it. In fact I feel so strongly about this I just added it to my sig.

Now back to Fowfers.

I think Fow1 was, or is a brilliant man, although I think he may be underestimating the power of his exercise. Fowfering shouldn’t just be thought of as a passive PE routine, it needs to be a state of mind with every PEer. If you are not hanging, pumping, doing manual stretches or jelqing or wearing an ADS or fucking, you should be Fowfering. I don’t know how many times I’ve said this, but I’ll say it again because it is IMPORTANT!!! Never sit anywhere in private that you are not sitting on your dick. It is so easy, just unzip your pants, tuck your dick back and SIT. When it starts to feel uncomfortable, just lift the weight off one cheek and let your dick come up for air, and blood. When you are driving alone in your car, unzip your pants and grab the tip of your dick and pull. I can pull and hold the steering wheel with the same hand. You should be doing these piss pulls from the tip as much as humanly possible. When you get tired or bored with pulling tuck it under your leg. When you sleep, tuck it BACK. Bed Fowfers are not as intense as when using the weight of your body to stretch ligs, but you are sleeping, and you don’t want that kind of tension then. You simple want your penis gently extended enough to heal long rather than short. Any night wood will safely pull your dick to freedom to heal while erect, which is even better than healing Fowfered.

Fowfers Should not just be passive PE, they should be a way of life.

My apologies to Thunder for the fonts.


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