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Awsome work guys! I’m curious though, I know you guys said you can do compressions and o-bends in order to achieve girth if your tunica is the limiting factor, but what about other exercises? My tunica is my limiting factor but I don’t care about length. I just want girth. Would ADC (all day clamping) discussed in another thread be a good tunica buster for girth?


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A lot of the questions being made are very nice explained in the document and backed up with scientific studies. Read it carefully. Could be right or could be wrong, but based on studies makes a lot of sense to me. Now is just a matter of applying it.


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What I’m getting at with the smooth muscle thing is that you maybe seeing a cause in what could as easily be an effect. And extrapolating an opposite from that. The logic seems to be

Poor smooth muscle condition leads to erectile dysfunction, therefore good smooth muscle condition must mean good quality erections.

Firstly I don’t think you can get to the therefore (it’s bad logic) and secondly I don’t think that poor smooth muscle condition can be shown to be a cause of erectile dysfunction, it could as easily be an effect of erectile dysfunction.

If you have some research that links good condition of smooth muscle as a cause of good erectile quality, I’d really be very interested in seeing it.

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The vessels in CC/CS dilate, the veins are effectively impeded by the engorgement pushing against them. Meantime the bulbospongiosus and chiocavernosus muscles are contracted compressing the bulb and crura*.


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Excellent contribution Remek and Iguana. Thank you for your efforts, and for kindly sharing your findings with the rest of us. And as a thanks to Thunder, for maintaining such a charitable forum, I just donated more money to this website.

I’ve had low EQ for many years now, but was always more concerned with gaining length. And my BPFSL is much longer than my BPEL. I had been doing length exercises for almost all of my PE career, but haven’t had much success. A month ago, I started girth exercises for the first time out of desperation for some type of gains, and have noticed better erection quality. And now after reading this theory, it seems to explain my struggles with PE. Of course I’ll still need more time to confirm this theory for myself, but I’m very optimistic.

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Interesting theory Remek. But how do drugs like Sildenafil (Viagra) and Tadalafil (Cialis) fit in? It is my understanding that inhibiting PDE5 cause the smooth muscle to relax which allows for the vascular constriction effect. So the *amount* of smooth muscle does not change but the quality smooth muscle relaxation increases. So maybe bad EQ comes from smooth muscle *bunching up* as opposed to not being enough of it. In which case length exercises instead of girth could well have the desired effect. What’s your take on this Remek?

Very good job Remek and Iguana!

I’m also very interested in the opinions of the other vets about this theory!


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First, thanks guys for all the positive comments and expressions, it is very much appreciated. You are all correct in that a lot of time and effort
went in to researching and writing this article (about 6 months to be exact.) We read through tons of articles, hashed out points over and over, compiled data, interviewed guys among many other things. We believe what you will find here is well researched and not something we pulled out of a hat. Is it the Gospel of PE? Hardly! As remek pointed out, it’s only a theory/hypothesis, it’s merit will be determined by those who put it to the test.

OK, on to the questions. Honestly, I really dreaded this part. We knew this thing would get picked a part over and over. And, it should be.
Just be gentle :) as I just don’t know if I have the energy and time left to defend it. But I will try to address at least a couple of main objections at this point.

Originally Posted by firegoat
That was rather my thought reading it. Relaxed muscle doesn’t press on anything; it’s relaxed. Blood creates erectile pressure; measure the blood pressure within an erection and it corresponds to the hardness of the erection.most


I think the misunderstanding here may be in our choice of words. We endeavored to make this a very readable and non-intimidating document so we may be guilty of over-simplifying some ideas and terms. We just didn’t want to push people away with lots of medical mumbo-jumbo that many readers couldn’t understand.

When we say the smooth muscle relaxes and “presses on the tunica” we mean it as it expands it encounters resistance from the tunica. The tunica is what provides structural support for the smooth muscle, like in the illustration of the bicycle tube and tire. If there was no resistance from the tunica there would be no rigidity or tumescence and therefore no erection.

Poor EQ can result from either diminished quantity and/or quality of the smooth muscle fibers.

Originally Posted by firegoat
I am also seriously struggling with the ‘gap’ theory, after many years of working with human tissue every day, it makes no sense to me at all.

Another example of a bad word choice. Granted there is probably no literal gap or void created between the smooth muscle and tunica.
Imbalance would probably be more accurate. Notice how this article emphasizes the importance of this balance:

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CONTEXT AND OBJECTIVE: Smooth muscle fiber has fundamental importance in erection. Alterations in its function or quantity[i] may be associated with erectile dysfunction.

Alterations in oxygen levels are thought to be implicated in [i]imbalance between the quantities of smooth muscle fiber and connective tissue. Such balance is fundamental for enabling erection to take place, since it is the connective tissue (collagen) that causes the erection to be maintained. On the other hand, increased collagen associated with diminished smooth muscle fiber leads to an incapability to achieve venous occlusion.23,24

Histomorphometry of penile smooth muscle fiber in severe erectile dysfunction
Discipline of Urology, Universidade Federal de São Paulo and Discipline of Anatomy and Urology, Universidade Estadual do Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

http://www.scielo.br/pdf/spmj/v123n4/a05v1234.pdf

Originally Posted by plump6
The difficulty in the erection rating is that it is affected by so many things- especially overtraining. I rarely get spontaneous full erections but usually my sex eq is pretty good if I haven’t overdone pe. So, it may be hard to tell if the tunica or muscle needs work.

This is very true. In order to apply this theory it is very important you have no had pre-existing ED problems. As was pointed out in the article, there are many many things that can contribute to retrograde erections such as, lifestyle, smoking, drugs, psychological conditions, etc. The guys who will benefit mostly from this theory are the guys who’s improper PE training is the underlying cause of EQ issues. For instance, read my case study; prior to PE I had 110% erections at will. NEVER any issues. My EQ problems only started after I started PEing. And after I adjusted my routine based on what my body was telling me, my EQ started improving. One way to tell if it’s over-training is take a good long decon. That’s what I did. I knew after 3 months off with no EQ improvement it wasn’t due to over-training. I started working my smooth muscle and my EQ shot up to 10.

Originally Posted by memento
What I’m getting at with the smooth muscle thing is that you maybe seeing a cause in what could as easily be an effect. And extrapolating an opposite from that. The logic seems to be

Poor smooth muscle condition leads to erectile dysfunction, therefore good smooth muscle condition must mean good quality erections.

That’s not what we are saying at all. That might be true if no other extenuating factors were involved. What we are saying is that good smooth muscle condition is absolutely necessary for good quality erections. And we not the only ones saying it. Publications support it and it’s only good common sense.

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Muscle tonus regulates the erection, detumescence and flaccidity of the penis. Consequently, the functional and quantitative integrity of the smooth muscle fiber is fundamental for the mechanism of erection.17

Originally Posted by dawnsong
Interesting theory Remek. But how do drugs like Sildenafil (Viagra) and Tadalafil (Cialis) fit in? It is my understanding that inhibiting PDE5 cause the smooth muscle to relax which allows for the vascular constriction effect. So the *amount* of smooth muscle does not change but the quality smooth muscle relaxation increases. So maybe bad EQ comes from smooth muscle *bunching up* as opposed to not being enough of it. In which case length exercises instead of girth could well have the desired effect. What’s your take on this Remek?

This is very true. That’s why we are saying that if you have previous problems with ED you will have a hard time applying this information.
ED or poor EQ has many underlying causes. As you point out, smooth muscle relaxation in some cases. But, as the above articles emphasize, the quality as well as the quantity of smooth muscle plays an important role in a healthy erection. Guys who are having to resort to Viagra or other ED meds most likely have other issues.

Again, thanks a ton for your support and accolades. We hope many of you can benefit from this information.


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>That’s not what we are saying at all. That might be true if no other extenuating factors were involved. What we are saying is that good smooth muscle condition is absolutely necessary for good quality erections. And we not the only ones saying it. Publications support it and it’s only good common sense.<

Could you link some of these publications. Thanks.

Where’s the quote from? Is it talking about the muscle around the tunica? Are you?


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Great job guys - this is the most practical theory on PE that I’ve found yet; this theory also falls in line with some of my own theories, in my pursuit of girth.

Good work :)


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So you can use IGF1-lr3 (look at Stagetop progress log) and you’ll get a bigger smooth muscle and a bigger girth (by time).

Another thing is, when you have something like EQ - 7, your BPFSL is 7” and your BPEL is 6.25
Lets say you use any ED drug, maybe PGE-1, you’ll get a 100% erection with an EQ of 9-10, stiff like a stick, how is that possible? You have the same smooth muscle.


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Great work guys it looks like you did your research.It is a sound theory from what I have read. I’m going to included some girth work program.

Originally Posted by memento
>That’s not what we are saying at all. That might be true if no other extenuating factors were involved. What we are saying is that good smooth muscle condition is absolutely necessary for good quality erections. And we not the only ones saying it. Publications support it and it’s only good common sense.<

Could you link some of these publications. Thanks.

Where’s the quote from? Is it talking about the muscle around the tunica? Are you?

This quote below was from - http://www.scielo.br/pdf/spmj/v123n4/a05v1234.pdf

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Alterations in oxygen levels are thought to be implicated in imbalance between the quantities of smooth muscle fiber and connective tissue. Such balance is fundamental for enabling erection to take place, since it is the connective tissue (collagen) that causes the erection to be maintained. On the other hand, increased collagen associated with diminished smooth muscle fiber leads to an incapability to achieve venous occlusion.23,24

Mem, No, we are not talking about the muscle around the tunica. We are talking about the smooth muscle in the corpus cavernosa.

Other articles:

- Weapons of penile smooth muscle destruction: androgen deficiency promotes accumulation of adipocytes in the corpus cavernosum.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e…pt=AbstractPlus

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Normal erectile function is dependent on trapping incoming blood within the cavernosal bodies to develop increasing pressure and volume. This physiologic process, termed the veno-occlusive mechanism, depends on the integrity of neural, vascular, and endocrine components, as well as the fibroelastic properties of the cavernosal tissue. The penile corpus cavernosum is a vascular bed, and any alterations to its structure can produce vascular insufficiency, a common etiology of erectile dysfunction (Krane et al, 1989). It has been noted that cavernosal tissue from men with erectile dysfunction of various etiologies, whether hormonal, neurological, or vascular, exhibited reduced lacunar spaces, reduced smooth muscle content, and a concomitant increase in connective tissue deposition (Mersdorf et al, 1991; Karadeniz et al, 1996). It is proposed that such changes in penile tissue structural integrity contribute to veno-occlusive dysfunction.


http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi…t/full/26/2/242

Originally Posted by OS_q
So you can use IGF1-lr3 (look at Stagetop progress log) and you’ll get a bigger smooth muscle and a bigger girth (by time).

Another thing is, when you have something like EQ - 7, your BPFSL is 7” and your BPEL is 6.25
Lets say you use any ED drug, maybe PGE-1, you’ll get a 100% erection with an EQ of 9-10, stiff like a stick, how is that possible? You have the same smooth muscle.

Well, being that this is a hypothetical situation we don’t know that it is possible. Another thing to remember is, the 1/2” difference is not set in stone. As the article indicated, it was the number the data suggested as a cut off point. this number could really vary from individual to individual perhaps based on the individual elasticity of the smooth muscle. I think as more empirical data is gathered we may be able to more accurately pinpoint where this number should be.


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Originally Posted by diesel220
Great work guys it looks like you did your research.It is a sound theory from what I have read. I’m going to included some girth work program.

Thanks diesel! Keep us updated on your progress!


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