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Originally Posted by Invisible
I don’t think that site is exactly the Lifestyles data. The averages and standard deviations are correct but the detailed distributions seem to be a modified version of the Kinsey data. Para-Goomba and Priapologist have some good arguments about this starting with this post: Para-Goomba - The (statistical) Truth About Cock Size. It would be interesting to get the raw data. I actually tried at one point to get it from Ansell but never got a response. Nevertheless, 5.65” is probably a reasonable estimate for the median length.

Yeah I have seen that discussion. From my observation, the girth data is EXACTLY the same as the Kinsey data, but the length data is different. I wrote “Mr. Average” about it and he answered me about where he got the numbers — he says from an article that was published around the time of the study. I will dig around and see if I can find his note.

It made me wonder if the article Mr Average read referenced the Lifestyle length data but then screwed up and referenced the Kinsey girth data.

It is so annoying that Lifestyle did not publish the study in a medical journal.

Big or not - this is very relative.

To find the solution, comparison with all other men or samples thereof (so called surveys) is one solution. The problem remains how one would define big in comparison to the stats (personally I would suggest average plus two standard deviations).

Another way, potentially quite frustrating even for a guy with a 8.5 x 6.3 tool would be to ask his current sex partner(s) whether or not they had bigger guys before.


Later - ttt

Wow some harsh comments in here.

I’m 7.8’ (BP) by 6’ and I don’t feel big, I know its above average but I want to be massive (8.8 by 6.3) its almost like until I get that I won’t be happy but at the same time I know I’m not small and am above average but its still not good enough, at 8.8 by 6.3 I could happily say “I have a big dick”.

So to answer your question I think if your above average (which you are) and you are happy with your current size (although intending to gain more) I feel you could put your self in the big dick club as long as you feel big.

I hope that makes sense.

James1984, if I were 7.8 X 6 I wouldn't find Thunders.


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Originally Posted by James1984
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I feel you could put your self in the big dick club as long as you feel big.

I hope that makes sense.

To me, that makes a lot of sense. If, after reading all this comments above, you do feel big, then you are big.

However, IMHO, you don’t seem to be all that sure, otherwise you didn’t open that thread.


Later - ttt

Originally Posted by OS_q
James1984, if I were 7.8 X 6 I wouldn't find Thunders.

Amen to that. James1984, you and I are about the same for BP, but if I had 6” EG I wouldn’t be worried about whether or not I fit into the big dick club. Trust me dude, you’re there.

Originally Posted by OS_q
James1984, if I were 7.8 X 6 I wouldn't find Thunders.

lol.

To be honest I never set out to enlarge my penis, I was buying a Flesh Light and I had some spare cash so I thought I might as well buy a pump (only a cheap one) as I liked the idea of gaining an inch (I fell trap to there adverts of permanent gains).

After using it and doing a lot of reading I realized that they don’t really produce permanent gains and since I had sort of counted my chickens before they had hatched (in the sense of feeling great imagining another inch) I felt disappointed and wanted to start gaining so I bought an extender (gained 0.3 - 0.4’ in length) and then I found this place and started jelqing on/off due to illness, once the illness goes I plan on starting a strict routine with both jelqing and the extender.

Originally Posted by andgrowing
Amen to that. James1984, you and I are about the same for BP, but if I had 6” EG I wouldn’t be worried about whether or not I fit into the big dick club. Trust me dude, you’re there.

Thanks, length has always been my main goal, I would like to get to 8.8 NBP and I would like to gain 0.3’ in girth.

Originally Posted by man-of-10
If you can press down to 7 1/2 inches with a ruler without putting a great deal of pressure on, then you can probably get that into a women.


Yep. Easily.

You can bottom out on many women with that length.

Originally Posted by James1984
Wow some harsh comments in here.


Unfortunately true.

A few are borderline, in fact. If they go over that border they will stop.

Originally Posted by James1984
I’m 7.8’ (BP) by 6’ and I don’t feel big, I know its above average but I want to be massive (8.8 by 6.3) its almost like until I get that I won’t be happy but at the same time I know I’m not small and am above average but its still not good enough, at 8.8 by 6.3 I could happily say “I have a big dick”.


You could happily say that now, and you would be right.

Your length and girth are both in upper portions of the 90th percentile - pretty much by any standard of the reasonable survey data that’s out there. You’re not merely “above average” by anyone’s measure but your own - you’re quite big. Huge even. There are only a handful of porn stars that have your size or greater, for example.

One of these days you’ll realize this.

If I may be so bold, your self-perception is way off any sort of reasonable, objective assessment. You are a little like someone with anorexia nervosa, in the narrow sense that how you interpret what you see and does not match what others can see. It may not cause dysphoria in you (depression and sadness), but still…

7.8” X 6” is a very big dick. On the big side of big, in fact.

Originally Posted by James1984
I feel you could put your self in the big dick club as long as you feel big.

I hope that makes sense.


I think I understand what you mean, but I don’t think it makes sense - if that makes any sense.

I think there is enough data out there for any reasonable person to look at and make judgments about what is more or less objectively true. Our “feelings” don’t enter in to what is physically tangible to the outside world. In fact, when the duality of our “feeling” versus what is objectively true are at odds that is the basis for neurosis.

There are degrees of course, and to be clear I am not trying to be disparaging in any way, but when people are within a normal range and feel small, or in a large or even very large category (like yourself) and feel as though they are merely “above average,” despite a wealth of evidence to the contrary, it says something.

Perhaps what it says is that some men are so competitive that it colors their judgment in ways that are predisposed toward dissatisfaction. The up side to this is that this quality internally pushes us to improve - whether we need to or not. By extension, one could argue that this quality is likely part of the basis for civilization as we know it.

On the other hand we can also afford to relax a little too. :leftie:


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After: I\'d like to show you something I\'m very proud of, but you guys in the front row will have to stand back.

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Invisible — here’s a summary of my exchange with “Mr. Average”

I went to the feedback section of his website and asked him about the girth data, I beleive even quoting the Para-goomba post about how it looks exactly like Kinsey data.

He wrote back a nice note

He said that his site is meant as a rant, not a scientific paper. He just wanted to put out some realistic info out there.

He said Lifestyle seems to be the best size study, but there are flaws with it, which he points out on the site.

The graphs he says are exactly as published by Lifestyles. They are aware of his site and have never questioned/challenged him on the girth data. Irritatingly they never released the raw data.

He thinks that the Lifestyle graphs for girth are suspect.

He thinks that probably some subjects were measured to the nearest 1/4” and some subjects to the nearest 1/2”. When the data was normalized, it threw up some strange results which nobody at Lifestyles questioned.

“I’ve just done my best, without the original data” He goes on to say that he studied statistics at university.

Closes by saying, “the averages do seem plausible” even though the girth measurements seem like they are rounded up of down.

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Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Big or not - this is very relative.


No, not really.

Think of height. We have reliable data that can tell us about the average height of people in the world. Now that data may be considered ‘relative’ in comparison to, say, the average height of people in the US, but it’s possible to examine a variety of data and make reasonable judgments about such things - regardless of your relatives. (:

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
To find the solution, comparison with all other men or samples thereof (so called surveys) is one solution. The problem remains how one would define big in comparison to the stats (personally I would suggest average plus two standard deviations).


A fine idea.

Originally Posted by ticktickticker
Another way, potentially quite frustrating even for a guy with a 8.5 x 6.3 tool would be to ask his current sex partner(s) whether or not they had bigger guys before.


Nothing short of ridiculous.

That gives a very skewed perspective based on a sample of one; one set of experiences selected at random, and further, it relies on that same one to accurately judge and reliably report it. Talk about a flawed survey.

A better question to ask of your partner is “Are you happy with our sex life? If we could improve it what could we do?” That would be more likely to lead to a productive conversation in which both of you will benefit.

Asking her about size really falls into the “it’s all about you” category - which both leaves her out and puts her on the spot. It’s a bad, bad idea, as it’s much less likely that anything positive will come of it. The best you could hope for with that question is a neutral impact on your relationship.


Before: I'd like to show you something I'm very proud of, but you'll have to move real close.

After: I\'d like to show you something I\'m very proud of, but you guys in the front row will have to stand back.

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time. - Robin Williams (:

Sta-Kool, thanks for finding that. The last part about the girth being rounded up vs down totally makes sense to me. I’ve suspected that data was flawed ever since I got a “you’re pretty thick” comment, and I’m only just over 5 inches MSEG. I always figured that either they measured base, or they rounded up so it skewed the average.


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9/2008 Bpel 7.00, Beg 5.5, Mseg 5.1

Originally Posted by andgrowing
I’m actually at 7 3/4” BPEL. The only reason I don’t use BPEL is because I’m one of those who is of the mind set that if you can’t put it inside the woman, then it doesn’t count. Just my opinion, though.

A couple of things come to my mind:

— You can certainly put more of your penis into a woman than your NBPEL. Remember that your fat pad can be compressed. “Balls Deep” is kind of “near BPEL” if you think about it.

— As to NBPEL. what is the “accurate measurement” for that?

A woman sees your penis from different perspectives. Her first views are probably from the front or the side. Then there is a bottom view. She most likely rarely sees the exact same top view that we see — we see it straight on (kind of a “flat” view), she sees it from a slightly different angle (more “3-D”).

For example if I measure visible penis from the side, I get the same or better measurement that my top BPEL measurement. I think it is Tazbonito who advocates measuring NBPEL that way.

Anyway, just some things floating around my head —

back on topic, Yes you are still in the club! ESPECiALLY AT 7.75” BPEL

I think alot of this thread revolves around everyone’s definition of the word big. And since everyone’s definition is different, it’s a pretty circular arguement ie. it’s not going to be solved.

To Magnum, I hope I didn’t offend you. You are one of the big gainers and I’ve learned alot over the months here from your posts in searches or older topics that get bumped. I look up to the big gainers of this forum and hope to be in the same position some day soon.

I’ve been meaning to make a topic about homosexuals here at Thunders but am almost scared to. It seems like they are in the closet here as much as the guys with the small units who read but don’t post. From time to time homophobic comments pop up, I mostly ignore them but I could understand if people who have come out in real life feel scared to “come out” on this forum. I am not gay but have some gay friends and to be honest they are just like anyone else. The way I see it, some guys like big butts, or huge boobs and I don’t. I like a more toned body. But shit happens. We can’t all like the same thing right? It’s annoying if it’s all they talk about, but it’s also annoying if you are a basketball fan and it’s all you talk about (I know I’m guilty of this). It’s naive to think that gay men don’t want to enlarge their penis like straight men do. Occasionally when bored I do google searches of the same types of things I search for here. Girth, stretches, size complaints (to guess a decent goal size) and they lead me to other forums where there are more gay members (not gay forums either) and it’s alot more open. I don’t know but it seems like it’s almost taboo to talk about it here. I know it’s a macho place here, but I don’t think it’s a big deal. Infact they could probably give some decent feedback on sizes since not alot of women post here.

Originally Posted by sta-kool
Invisible — here’s a summary of my exchange with “Mr. Average”

I went to the feedback section of his website and asked him about the girth data, I beleive even quoting the Para-goomba post about how it looks exactly like Kinsey data.

He wrote back a nice note

He said that his site is meant as a rant, not a scientific paper. He just wanted to put out some realistic info out there.

He said Lifestyle seems to be the best size study, but there are flaws with it, which he points out on the site.

The graphs he says are exactly as published by Lifestyles. They are aware of his site and have never questioned/challenged him on the girth data. Irritatingly they never released the raw data.

He thinks that the Lifestyle graphs for girth are suspect.

He thinks that probably some subjects were measured to the nearest 1/4” and some subjects to the nearest 1/2”. When the data was normalized, it threw up some strange results which nobody at Lifestyles questioned.

“I’ve just done my best, without the original data” He goes on to say that he studied statistics at university.

Closes by saying, “the averages do seem plausible” even though the girth measurements seem like they are rounded up of down.

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Thanks for posting this. It clarifies some of the questions about the Mr. Average site. The whole tone of the site is consistent with the author’s stated desire to put some realistic information out there, unlike that other infamous site which doesn’t need to be named.

I do find it odd that Lifestyles would round in this manner. They manufacture things to the mm level of precision. Assuming their purpose was to get better information to aid in making and distributing condoms, doing a sloppy research job could cost them millions of dollars in sales. I think it’s more likely that they did do a reasonable job in measuring but they are not making this information publicly available so as not to give their competition a free ride on their own work. They released just enough to give themselves a marketing boost but not enough to allow the precise distributions to be reconstructed.

What we need is a mole, someone to go work there and find out what the truth is for us. We’ll call our mole Deep Throat II. :spy:

Originally Posted by Invisible
I think it’s more likely that they did do a reasonable job in measuring but they are not making this information publicly available so as not to give their competition a free ride on their own work. They released just enough to give themselves a marketing boost but not enough to allow the precise distributions to be reconstructed.

Good analysis.

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