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Some noob questions

Some noob questions

Greetings, everyone!

I am new here and I am just now getting interested in doing some PE. I feel like I know quite a bit of the terminology, but I have some questions regarding some specifics, as well as some general questions.

First of all, I am a little confused about the LOT stuff and what it implies (specifically Bib’s Theory). While flaccid, I stretched my penis straight up and flexed my Kegel muscles and felt a strong jerk back. I did it again at the 9 o’clock position and felt a weaker flex back, and again straight down (6?) and felt almost nothing. Does this imply, based on his theory, that I have a high LOT and I should get relatively quick gains? I am just looking for 1” to 1.5”, so I hope it won’t take too long. I am not too interested in girth, so should I be able to avoid jelqing?

If I want to mainly focus on length, what is the best way to go? Right now I have the Phallosan extender, so I know that focuses on length. What should I do in addition to the Phallosan? Should I do those manual stretches and focus on pulling straight down? And is there any way to prevent getting erect when stretching, because I tend to get hard and it starts to hurt stretching, which is never a good sign.

I am also looking into the VLC Tugger because I am interested in foreskin restoration. Does anyone have any experience?

If you have any recommendations of a routine, please let me hear them! Sorry for the plethora of questions, I just want to get going in the right direction :) .

Starting off at about 5.25 BPEL and wanting to get to around 6.75 BPEL, or 6-6.5 NBPEL if possible..

Thanks, guys!

Welcome Sniper9999.

LOT theory- forget about it. Don’t even worry about it. It’s a theory that had been debunked relating to hanging angles.

Erections while stretching-In time your penis will learn to recognize and differentiate between “workout time” (PE exercises) and “Play time” (Sex or masturbation). It might take some practice, but he’ll learn. Just let your erection subside and begin again.

I’ve personally used the TLC tugger with pretty good success. (Not sure about the VLC) There’s a couple of threads around about foreskin restoration.

Do the Newbie Routine. Tried and true and the most effective way to get started and to avoid injury. I’d recommend it even if you only want to focus on length. It’s a good way to get your penis conditioned for possible heavier workouts later.

I think your goals are pretty reasonable, assuming you’re willing to dedicate the time and effort to make it happen.

Good luck and keep in touch.

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You should put your phallosan in a box and ignore it and any other devices until you stop gaining from the Newbie Routine. The Newbie Routine has many examples of good reported results over a period of over ten years possibly because it was designed by a physician. It’s even too much for some people, who find the Linear Routine better.

Using equipment too early potentially puts at risk easy gains.

Though people have claimed gains from extenders, they tend to be fairly small - when used as directed - and require of 1000 hours. It’s hard to estimate the efficacy of extender usage over other forms of PE because we don’t store statistics for gains against equipment type. It’s also hard to definitely say that extender usage might be a negative rather than a positive but in these situation it’s often best to go with a method that is proven to work rather than baking your own routine.

At the centre of your routine decisions should be gains. You can add an extender if the Newbie Routine isn’t working for you after two months but what do you do if the Newbie Routine and extender isn’t working for you? You need to think at least medium term to allow progressively greater stress to be applied and gains to continue.

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Thanks for the replies, everyone!

So it seems that using the Newbie Routine only at first and possibly adding in my Phallosan at a later time seems to be the going idea. So I read up on the Newbie routine and found some posts that talked about it, and it seems that I should start off at 50 jelqs and increase the amount by 10 weekly? Does that seem right?

Also, how do you gauge you level of erection, and at my small starting size, should I still do three second jelqs or just do 2 second ones. And how do I avoid doughnut or baseball bat shape? Definitely do not want that!

I am hoping with the Newbie Routine and possibly the Phallosan in a couple of months, I can reach the 1 inch gain in about six months because of newbie gains.

One last question, if I did a 3 days on, 1 day off routine and did less jelqs, would that still be effective?

I started with the Newbie routine and found that it was too much for me. My EQ went up and then drstically dropped. I then went to the Linear routine and started slow. Once I conditioned my penis I added in stretches to each jelq. Then finally full stretches. Finding that fatigue point without pushing too far into exhaustion is the key. No one knows how the penis will react to this type of stimulation. That is left to each individual. Some people come in, hammer their dicks hard and leave with injuries. Others quit because they are not persistent enough to see results. The third type gets gains because he sticks with a program and watches his PIs. Which type are you?

Erection percentages are based on the sliding rule of your arousal. 0% is completely flaccid. 100% is the hardest raging erection you’ve ever had. All levels in between are at varying percentages based upon these two standards.

To avoid the baseball shape, you should jelq at greater than 50% erection levels but quit jelqing if you go past 80% to avoid injuries. Also, don’t squeeze hard. If it is even slightly painful, you are doing it wrong. Keep the mind set that you are jelqing to push blood into the penis and message the tissues. If you are already hard, you don’t need to jelq because the messaging benefits are null and void.

Start slow. Watch your PIs. Stop when it hurts. Growth happens when you rest so give yourself time to heal. Above all else log your journey here at Thunders. You never know who might be helped by reading your posts.

Started: 01/01/2015 ~ BPEL: 7.2 inches. EG: 5.5 inches. [05/01/2015: BPEL: 7.6 X 5.5.] [08/06/2015: 7.75 X 5.5] Goal: Better EQ

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50 jelqs to start is good.

Erection level: Partly erect but not erect enough for penetration. You’ll get a feel for it.You want to be able to feel the blood being pushed toward the glans as you jelq. Do 3 second jelqs.

The donut effect typically happens when one goes overboard with either intensity or repetitions.

Baseball bat effect could happen if you concentrate your jelqs toward the end of the penis. It will help to start your jelq as close to the pubic bone as possible. (Although my opinion is that some guys are just prone to that shape. jelqing incorrectly could contribute though.)

3 on 1 off should be ok. Try it and adjust as necessary.

:_pump: :donatecar

I have one last question; when you talk about jelqing, is one jelq considered sliding one hand up the shaft, or is one jelq after sliding both up. So is a jelq considered one or two strokes.

One stroke = one jelq

Started: 01/01/2015 ~ BPEL: 7.2 inches. EG: 5.5 inches. [05/01/2015: BPEL: 7.6 X 5.5.] [08/06/2015: 7.75 X 5.5] Goal: Better EQ

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Sniper,welcome. Start with the linear not the newbie routine. As for jelging keep erection at 40% to 50% for more length and 60% to 80% for girth. No, I repeat, no 100% erection jelgs at least for starters.3 to 4 days a week is more than enough. LOT theory is bullshit. Stretch in every possible direction for better results

BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

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