Consensus: vitamin C?
Okay, dangleman’s thread on “rest days” has motivated me to ask some things that have been wandering through my mind, as well. To briefly explain, I am new and want to maximize my newbie gains if possible. I think we all want to maximize gains, right? I think we may also be able to find one or two new ideas here, that could possibly help everyone, not just a few. If we cannot find any answers with vitamin C, I have other ideas but I want to tackle one at a time. In short, I think I might have some fresh ideas here, maybe we can discover something overlooked. Maybe there is something I have missed in the reading that covers this, but I haven’t seen it. I think there might be a new perspective here that we can get, and if not, no one will be any worse for the trying. If we can discover a new way to cement gains or something, is that not a worthy goal?
Let’s start by setting a few ground rules that I think at least will serve us well so the thread doesn’t go uncontrollaby “spinning off into outer space” because there is a great potential here for it to do so. We need to think a little differently here than in the past. So this will be “stretching our brain muscles” for some of us. Just don’t blow a fuse, I haven’t got any replacements!
We need to think concept, here, Think summary. Think “quantum” if that’s what does it for you. The thing to avoid, and what I’m saying is, let’s NOT re-hash the same old stuff! It’s already there! Cutting and pasting it again over here will just throw things off, unless there is something in it that supports your idea/conclusion or brings a new idea to light.
You can do a search on vitamin C and read all of that stuff, or the great majority of it. That’s what I did. As I understand it (summarizing all that stuff into one thing here) the general consensus is divided into two “camps of thought”: (1) Vitamin C is possibly good because it supports collagen formation, and (2) Vitamin C is possibly bad because it supports collagen formation! So what we have here is a dichotomy… seemingly unsolvable. Have I got that about right? If I’m missing something it’s important to bring it up.
When I read through the vitamin C stuff, there was something that struck my mind… something that maybe no one has considered before. I am not a doctor, or a nutritionist, but I do study many different things. So I had this idea…
I know from studying that vitamins are categorized into two general types. There are “oil soluble” vitamins that remain in your system for a few days. Vitamin A, for example, is an oil soluble vitamin, it stays in your system for a few days before it is excreted out. Then there are the “water soluble” vitamins, and vitamin C is among them. The characteristics of these water soluble vitamins is that they come and go very quickly. Within 4 to 6 hours after ingestion, they have gone into your body, “done their thing”, and been pissed out (literally!). Gone, in six hours. And here is where the idea struck me.
WHAT ABOUT THE TIMING, FOLKS? (Yes it was loud like that, sorry.) A new element had popped up: TIME. TIMING. In short, timing certain events so that they work to our advantage. Now let me digress for a moment and elaborate a bit more on my “summary” up above. Some worry that vitamin C is bad because it might tend to start healing things before you really want them to. This makes sense and seems a perfectly valid point. Others wonder if vitamin C is good because it might help to cement gains. This also makes perfect sense and seems a perfectly valid point.
So the (idea) question is this: why couldn’t we use this to our advantage somehow? Wouldn’t it be possible to reduce vitamin C to a minimum while PE’ing, then use it to cement gains during breaks? There may be some “timing issues” that need to be worked out, but it makes sense to me. Someone who uses intense PE for long periods, and then takes longer breaks to accompany it, might be able to “chug down the vitamin C” during his break period and cement gains better or faster or whatever. Someone else, who uses less intense sessions and shorter periods between breaks might also benefit. If the effects of vitamin C come and go so quickly, maybe this person as well can “time things” to improve his progress. He could end his session, and chug some vitamin C to help things, perhaps even on a daily basis. Or it might benefit to do it on weekends, during his 2 day break. Another possibility might be that somewhere between these two extremes, there is a “continuum” or a bell curve that could indicate an “optimal range” or “zone” that we could use to make vitamin C work for us somehow. I hope I have expressed this correctly. What do you think? Anybody?
Remember, the idea here is to break new ground if possible, use some good old inductive logic to throw new ideas out on the table, and bring “vitamin C” to some sort of a “conclusion” that we can feel good about.
Hobby, penismith, Shiver and others have quite an interesting discussion going on over there in the “Why gains slow!” thread… would you guys care to point those keen intellects over “this-a-way” and give your thoughts as well?
I hope this makes sense. Basically, it’s like my mind is saying there’s an inductive answer out there and let’s find it. Assuming that something is true, even though it may not be. I have no idea what the answer might be. I have no idea where the answer might be. But something is telling me that it’s there, if we look for it. Maybe there’s an article I missed that covers this. I haven’t seen one so I hope this makes sense.
Sulu: “Orders, Captain?”
Captain Kirk: “Oh, I don’t know… just “out there” somewhere. Second star to the right, and straight on ‘till morning.”
(Sulu and the bridge crew all grin, uncontrollably.)
Sulu: “Yes sir!” :)
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