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Chemical PE: The Long Awaited Evidence

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London, NPE (VED and extenders) has been proven effective on Peyronie disease more than meds.

If vacuum pumping is different from other forms of PE, the natural deduction would be : I’ll try other forms. Instead you want to believe at any costs that there is some magic pills out there.

Let me ricapulate for you : androgens - they have tried by many and no gains so far; DMSO, not even weak anectodal evidence so far that it works for gains; erection drugs - have been a failure as well, for gains, and beside that, what they are supposed to do? DTW’ post nailed it.

Originally Posted by marinera
London, NPE (VED and extenders) has been proven effective on Peyronie disease more than meds.

If vacuum pumping is different from other forms of PE, the natural deduction would be : I’ll try other forms. Instead you want to believe at any costs that there is some magic pills out there.

Let me ricapulate for you : androgens - they have tried by many and no gains so far; DMSO, not even weak anectodal evidence so far that it works for gains; erection drugs - have been a failure as well, for gains, and beside that, what they are supposed to do? DTW’ post nailed it.

I don’t have peyronie’s disease. The idea is to use these meds to soften the collagen in your tunica and enhance your ability to gain.

I have tried clamping, but found the feeling extremely unpleasant. I could only maintain an erection while clamping by watching porn, which took up a lot of my time. I just didn’t feel as if clamping was doing anything for me.

When I inject PGE it feels like clamping, but without the uncomfortable and potentially damaging pressure applied by the constriction devise.

CPE is not a magic pill. It is just a souped-up version of NPE.

Like I have said before, there are many guys on this site who claim to have had great success with CPE. There is also the testimony of a professional scientist.

Who are those guys? And who’s the professional scientist?

Originally Posted by marinera
Who are those guys? And who’s the professional scientist?

The people on this site who I believe claim to have had success with CPE include:

Stagetop
Jrock
chi8wannabe
vtx1800
Rzilla
8works
Toguy1987

The professional scientist is one of these six people: Abozeid M, Juenemann KP, Luo JA, Lue TF, Yen TS, Tanagho EA.

Stagestop disappeared; he claimed big gains but he was also doing a very strenous regimen of manual PE.

The other guys I don’t know, post the links if you can.

‘The professional scientist is one of these six people: Abozeid M, Juenemann KP, Luo JA, Lue TF, Yen TS, Tanagho EA. ‘. Which one? Post a link if you can.

Originally Posted by marinera
Stagestop disappeared; he claimed big gains but he was also doing a very strenous regimen of manual PE.

The other guys I don’t know, post the links if you can.

‘The professional scientist is one of these six people: Abozeid M, Juenemann KP, Luo JA, Lue TF, Yen TS, Tanagho EA. ‘. Which one? Post a link if you can.

I admit that I am not totally convinced by Stagetop. His gains seemed to be way beyond what could sensibly be expected.
The other guys can be found by going to advanced search and typing in the word “chemical” and ticking the box that says “thread titles only”
I went through my reasons for keeping the name of the scientist private on the first page of the thread.

Disappearing does not indicate anything.

We said enough about the ‘serious scientist’. You also recognized that he seems to contradict himself.

The other guys, I don’t see any photographic evidence and anyway the gains were minimal; since they were also doing a lot of mechanical PE and their gains aren’t that astounding, it seems fair to say that those are more a negative then a positive proof.

Disappearing does not indicate anything? If I had any proof to backup my claims on something I’ve kinda advertised, well, I would not disappear.


Last edited by marinera : 02-24-2012 at .

Originally Posted by marinera
We said enough about the ‘serious scientist’. You also recognized that he seems to contradict himself.

The other guys, I don’t see any photographic evidence and anyway the gains were minimal; since they were also doing a lot of mechanical PE and their gains aren’t that astounding, it seems fair to say that those are more a negative then a positive proof.

Disappearing does not indicate anything? If I had any proof to backup my claims on something I’ve kinda advertised, well, I would not disappear.

That was an apparent contradiction. He probably only appears to contradict himself because we don’t fully understand what he’s saying. And he is a ‘serious scientist’. You don’t have to put it in inverted commas. I don’t want to name him for obvious reasons, but if you google the authors of the study you will find that they all publish in respected journals and hold positions at good universities.

Pictures can be photoshopped and a potential scammer or troll could just use a picture of pornstar’s penis. I don’t think photographic evidence proves much under those circumstances. Most men are reluctant to post pictures of their penises on the internet.

I think that most guys who do CPE have more or less failed NPE. The CPE guys tend to be “hard gainers”. I don’t think that anyone would switch to CPE without giving NPE a proper attempt. That suggests that CPE is more potent that NPE.

The majority of the CPE thread starters on this site claim to have had success. The weak anecdotal evidence we have seems to be in favour of CPE

The monkeys who got injected with Papaverine would not have performed NPE during the trial.

Post links to some of those ‘succes stories’. 1/4” gain doing CPE and natural PE? Pics of clearly overpumped penis? London, you are fooling yourself.

About the scientists:

Originally Posted by london100
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I was surprised by this so I decided to email the researchers. I asked them if the monkeys gained any girth or length from the treatment. One of the researchers said off hand that they did not..
……..
Here is my correspondence with the second researcher. English is not his first language.
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Dear Mr. xxx

According to your question, I didn’t measure the size of the corporeal body anatomy in the monkeys that were treated with vs. without papaverine hydrochloride.
…..

The second thing is that I would not expect that the penile in total or the smooth muscle of the corpus cavernosum does induce an increase in penile length and circumference with chronic use of papaverine hydrochloride…..

Dear Professor XXX

Thanks again for replying to my questions. It is a great privilege to receive knowledge this way. I have one final question about the study: Did the chronic papaverine treatment visibly increase the erect length and circumference of the entire penile organ?

Yours Sincerely,

XXX

(from his secretary)

Dear Mr. XXX


Prof. XXX asked me to send you the following reply:

He did not measure it, but he thinks it did.




Hope this will help you – sorry for the late reply.



Kind regards

XXX

….


This is your first post. I think if you try to have an objective point of view, you can see that it points to no evidence. You bothered the Doc so he instructed his secretary to give you the answer you wanted.

Originally Posted by marinera
Post links to some of those ‘succes stories’. 1/4” gain doing CPE and natural PE? Pics of clearly overpumped penis? London, you are fooling yourself.

About the scientists:

This is your first post. I think if you try to have an objective point of view, you can see that it points to no evidence. You bothered the Doc so he instructed his secretary to give you the answer you wanted.

I have directed you to the threads by people claiming success from CPE.

I appreciated your earlier posts, but now I think you are just being argumentative for the sake of it.

You think he told me that the monkeys gained length and girth to get rid of me? Had he wanted to get rid of me he would have said the direct opposite.

This guy is a serious scientist who wanted to help someone who he believed was training to become a fellow urologist. He was the first one to state that an increase in length and girth had taken place. He was telling me what he believed took place. To claim he invented the story to make me feel better is weird and stupid.

This argument is becoming increasingly stupid.

The full quote is this:

“The second thing is that I would not expect that the penile in total or the smooth muscle of the corpus cavernosum does induce an increase in penile length and circumference with chronic use of papaverine hydrochloride, because the relaxation of the smooth muscle of the corpora cavernosa becomes evident when it is relaxing and the penile length and circumference is increasing according to the tremendous arterial inflow with initiation of an erection.”

By selectively quoting half of the sentence in a stupid way you give the impression that he is claiming that no gain took place. When you read the full quote the only logical interpretation is that he is claiming that gains did take place.

English is not his first language.

When he says: “The second thing is that I would not expect that the penile in total…

He meant to say: “The second thing I did not expect is that the penile in total…

The entire quote makes no sense at all unless this is the interpretation you use.

To claim that he ordered his secretary to lie to a fellow urologist in training is just stupid.


Last edited by london100 : 02-25-2012 at .

His first answer was that monkeys didn’t gain any penis length, despite the increase in smooth muscle. His answer is also pretty confused. The other researcher said directly that there was no increase in size.

I don’t see your links to people claiming success from CPE.

Anyway, you can believe to Santa Claus if you want. The sole doubt that I have right now is : if you are so convinced that CPE works, why don’t you just do it? Are you searching for some more guinea pigs or what?

I have already been through the reasons why I believe the first researcher said that nothing happened. He probably realised that I was considering doing a similar thing on myself. Under those circumstances, it is not surprising that he replied in the way he did.

Originally Posted by marinera
His first answer was that monkeys didn’t gain any penis length, despite the increase in smooth muscle. His answer is also pretty confused. The other researcher said directly that there was no increase in size.

I don’t see your links to people claiming success from CPE.

Anyway, you can believe to Santa Claus if you want. The sole doubt that I have right now is : if you are so convinced that CPE works, why don’t you just do it? Are you searching for some more guinea pigs or what?

No that was not his first answer. Go back and read it. No he is not confused. His English is not perfect but that does not make him “confused”.

He says “the penile length and circumference is increasing according to the tremendous arterial inflow with initiation of an erection”.

Unless you take the interpretation I used then he is contradicting himself in the same sentence, which very few people do.

Originally Posted by marinera
His first answer was that monkeys didn’t gain any penis length, despite the increase in smooth muscle. His answer is also pretty confused. The other researcher said directly that there was no increase in size.

I don’t see your links to people claiming success from CPE.

Anyway, you can believe to Santa Claus if you want. The sole doubt that I have right now is : if you are so convinced that CPE works, why don’t you just do it? Are you searching for some more guinea pigs or what?

This is a site for people who want to share information. It is not a site for argumentative arseholes, who want to try and win petty victories. By trying to insult me by talking about Santa Clause you just undermine your own argument and make yourself look idiotic.

Please stop posting on this thread.

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