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does stretched ligs reflect gains?

marinera,
You knock mister007’s source when the keywords to finding your first source are the following:

penis size;anxiety;micropenis;small penis;body dysmorphophobia;erectile dysfunction

Sounds likely to be biased toward the “it’s all in your head, don’t do it, it can’t work, owy, owy” .

Besides you were the one who dragged the penis surgery topic into the discussion. You keep leading the discussion away from natural PE. Why?

PE is about discovery and adventure. You don’t know it all. Let people hear the opinion of others so they can choose for themselves.

sheLovesIt

Looking at your sources table here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/…07.06806.x/full

There are tables and MP means micro penis. So the last group which is not micro penis, says this:

Mean gain, cm 3.45
range 2.1–4.5cm

Guys with the micro penis got this in the table:
range 1.5–2.5cm, there is also E which means these are erect gains.

If somebody with micro penis can gain that much by DSL, division of the suspensory ligament , normal penis should gain more.

Please correct me if I read it wrong.

Originally Posted by sheLovesIt
marinera,
You knock mister007’s source when the keywords to finding your first source are the following:

penis size;anxiety;micropenis;small penis;body dysmorphophobia;erectile dysfunction

Sounds likely to be biased toward the “it’s all in your head, don’t do it, it can’t work, owy, owy” .

Besides you were the one who dragged the penis surgery topic into the discussion. You keep leading the discussion away from natural PE. Why?

PE is about discovery and adventure. You don’t know it all. Let people hear the opinion of others so they can choose for themselves.

sheLovesIt

Those weren’t the keywords I used. Beside that, I have made different examples to communicate my information; surgery is the most evident. How about the old dudes?

The erection angle is based on the level of support by the penile suspensory ligament. When it loosens, the support drops and the erection angle becomes less which typically happens with age.”
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Urology-…angle-aging.htm

It’s interesting that I have to post a source for something that everybody knows. So what it gives? If what you go on arguing was true, old men should have penises several inches longer than young men. This doesn’t happen so the idea that elongating the ligs can give sevral inches of gains is false.

And have you read those threads about the LOT theory, out of curiosity?

I’ll tell you what. The sole reason you believe to that bunch of nonsense is because a guy who claims to have elongated his penis…what.. 4”? 5? 6? I don’t even recall anymore - told that. You are annoyed because you are becoming aware of this fact.

This thread was about can you gain from ligament stretching. Then you somehow turned it to “can you gain from lig cut”. Then you turned it to “Does your erection angle change from cutting the ligaments”.

Now it seems that you turned this thread to “Is lot theory real” or “Bib is liar”.

Whats the next step?

Edit: Oh, your erection angle was about age. Sorry about that.

range 2.1-4.5 cm (0.8 - 1.8 inches)

Arithmetic mean approx 1 1/4 inches.

Wow. Rings a bell!

Originally Posted by mister007
This thread was about can you gain from ligament stretching. Then you somehow turned it to “can you gain from lig cut”. Then you turned it to “Does your erection angle change from cutting the ligaments”.

Now it seems that you turned this thread to “Is lot theory real” or “Bib is liar”.

Whats the next step?

Edit: Oh, your erection angle was about age. Sorry about that.

The next step is you understanding, Mister007. If you can’t gain much cutting the ligs, even less you can gain much lengthening them. If your ligs are elongated or cut, your erection angle changes. Is it clear?

Bib was put around by you, believers.

I never said anything about Bib, until my last post.

Your sources say that you can gain 1.8 inches from cutting the ligs. I repeat, YOUR sources. Why are you saying that you can’t gain much then? You mean you can’t stretch your ligs that much by hanging?

Originally Posted by mister007
I never said anything about Bib, until my last post.

Your sources say that you can gain 1.8 inches from cutting the ligs. I repeat, YOUR sources. Why are you saying that you can’t gain much then? You mean you can’t stretch your ligs that much by hanging?


At best, the proponents of this technique suggest a 2-cm increase in flaccid length (Table 2) [39,41–44].”

The sole technique that gives more than a few millimeters gain in erect length is “Penile disassembly + cartilage insertion”
not cutting the ligament. And notice that this are results got with lig cut + weights or stretcher use for several months.

This what my source says. This is what was said above. There can be a noticeable increase in flaccid length (at rest or stretched) but a minimal or no gain in erect length.

And notice that the sole reporting huge increase (in flaccid length) is your snake oil seller Perovic; his self-reported results are double the gain of what other surgeons claims. This tell us something, right?


Last edited by marinera : 01-12-2012 at .

marinera,
>And have you read those threads about the LOT theory, out of curiosity?<

Yes. And the LOT Simulator too.

I found that Modesto trampled over BIB’s LOT Theory and because BIB was not here to defend it, the powers that be just looked at each other and started denouncing it repeatedly.

I think that the LOT Simulator oversimplifies the problem. I doubt it uses Finite Element Ananlysis to model the stress and I doubt it applies the biophysical properties of the tissues involved. I think it is like a tinker-toy model of the ligs and tunica.

I took the time to study his LOT Theory from an anatomical level and I cannot find fault in it. It is also working for me.

sheLovesIt

correction:

Tinker-Toy -> Erector Set

Aha, sure Bib used Finite Element ‘Ananlysis’ to model the stress when wrote the thing you go on believing. Anyway, I can only give you correct information, if you want to believe in Santa Claus that’s your choice.

marinera,

Can you tell me how to read this table here then? http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/…806.x/full#ss13

It says that some guy with micro penis got 8.9cm (Erect) and then after surgery + treatments 10.5cm (E).

It’s from your source.

Mister007, there is a note aside there. Check it.

marinera,

You mean this?

“The so-called ‘Perovic procedure’ involves penile disassembly, with dissection of the glans penis off the corpora cavernosa in continuity with the dorsal neurovascular bundle and the urethra [46].”

Holy shit. That is some extreme shit.

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