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does stretched ligs reflect gains?

Originally Posted by marinera
It is not a typo, it is what is empirically observed in penis length surgeries done cutting the suspensory ligs: patients gain about half inch in flaccid length and 1/4” in erect length, if they are lucky; otherwise they gain nothing.

Are they cutting all the ligaments? I don’t think so. So they still have ligaments that are not cut or stretched any?

Sure. Knee ligs aren’t cutted. Maybe for this reason Bib’ theory makes sense. Lol.

so how to train on tunica?


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But we're never gonna survive, unless we get a little crazy.

>Are they cutting all the ligaments? I don’t think so. So they still have ligaments that are not cut or stretched any?<

I believe that you are correct mister007. I recall that they do not cut all of the ligaments. They simply want to make it easier to free the shaft from the pubic bone to lower the exit point. I plan to read more about it.

Marinera shows a lot of disrespect to a man that has contributed more to “natural” PE than probably anyone on the planet. IMO the LOT theory is very useful. It could have saved me months of time if I had applied it correctly 6 years ago. I hit a plateau hanging SO when I needed to hang BTC to get my ligs out of way.

sheLovesIt

I’ll answer myself then:

Q: Will my erection angle be lower after ligamentolysis phalloplasty lengthening?

A: Dr Perovic responds: “Only slightly or not at all because we never cut all suspensory ligaments, but only their distal part which does not affect penile angle.”

Source: http://www.medical-tourism-in-thail…-questions.html

So seems that some part of the ligaments don’t get any longer when surgery is done.

Another good one:

Q: Are both the fundiform and suspensory ligaments cut during ligamentolysis penile lengthening?

A: Dr Perovic says: “Yes, in the majority of patients, we actually cut the ligaments that cause abnormal high insertion on the penis and which naturally pull it inside the body.”

Source: http://www.medical-tourism-in-thail…-questions.html

Sorry, can’t edit anymore.

The site also says “but the gain ranges from 1-4 cm (0.4 to 1.6 inches). In some cases there is no increase in length.”

So, marinera. If you don’t have any gains from stretching the ligaments, it does not mean that nobody can gain from the ligs.

>Kjdeet, so how to train on tunica?<

In my opinion you want to first be VERY sure that your ligs are not going to rob the stress on the tunica.

Lets say that you do have tight ligs and you listen to marinera and blow off the LOT theory.
Also lets say that you are very proud of yourself to be able to hang 20 lbs SO (straight out). But you are worried a little because your erection quality is in the shitter and your partner is wondering if you are a dumbF___.

Now assume that your ligs need 10 lbs to begin deforming. If the tunica needs 15 lbs to deform then you are deadlocked, i.e. plateau city… game over… because it takes 25 lbs to move off the dime and you have only 20 lbs in the gun. And, it will probably require more later.

Also consider that your wasted efforts could in fact make things harder to stretch that tunica, i.e. tougher ligs because you deformed them repeatedly between 10 and 20 but they were deadlocked by the tunica.

So now consider that you listened to BIB and applied the LOT theory and it told you that you have short and tight ligs (LOT of 9-12:00), and you then stretched them using the 10-15 lbs at the lower angles BTC/SD.

Again, because the ligs only need 10 lbs you can stretch them to get them out of the way. You may not see gains in BPFSL and BPEL. You should feel a good stretch and notice that your hanger is lower on your ass when hanging BTC.

Getting the ligs out of the way now lets you apply 15 lbs directly against the tunica and because it will yield at 15 lbs (hopefully) you can enter gains city and your erection quality is not to shabby.

Now you can attack the tunica at the upper angles, with and without a fulcrum and that 20 lbs might do the whole job.

In reality, no one knows how much stress is required to deform the ligs and the tunica, but you have a better chance of winning if you divide and conquer. Ligs first, then tunica.

This divide and conquer strategy is attributable to BIB and his LOT Theory is just a tool to help identify the target tissues.

sheLovesIt

Thanks mister007 for the pointer to the information.

I wonder where marinera got his (mis)information?

Medical tourism in Thailand is your source? Are you serious?!

“Division of the suspensory ligament is the procedure that has been most commonly described for flaccid penile lengthening [39–44]; it allows the corpora cavernosa to be partly separated from the pubis, thereby increasing the apparent flaccid length of the penis.

Some form of adjustment of the suprapubic skin is needed (usually a V-Y advancement flap or a Z-plasty), and it is sometimes helpful to place a ‘spacer’ between the pubis and the corporal bodies to prevent re-scarring at the site of the divided suspensory ligament. At best, the proponents of this technique suggest a 2-cm increase in flaccid length (Table 2)
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/…07.06806.x/full

Ligament release alone may occasionally increase flaccid (soft) length a half an inch, but often no gain is achieved.
Releasing the ligament frees more of the penis to be stretched. Weights are suspended from the penis several times daily for a period of months. Flaccid (soft) length is often increased, and erect length gain is also possible. Length increases of several inches are rare; these claims are usually based on misleading measurements taken from the apex of a V flap.
http://www.altermd.com/Penis%20Enha…lengthening.htm

Note that these source are from surgeons, who probably he has a bias [i]in favor of the penile lengthening surgery[/] - otherwise said, better you cut in half even these no stellar claims.

Originally Posted by sheLovesIt
Thanks mister007 for the pointer to the information.

I wonder where marinera got his (mis)information?


Aha, this was a good one.

Your sources are cutting the suspensory ligament only. My sources are cutting fundiform and suspensory ligaments.

I don’t see why my source would be any worse than yours? Surgeon is surgeon. I doubt the surgeon is lying. If he is lying, he probably wouldn’t say “In some cases there is no increase in length.”

Originally Posted by Kjdeet

so how to train on tunica?

When you pull your penis, you pull the tunica also. If you want an higher force applied on tunica, you can do fulcrum stretches (like ‘A’ and ‘V’ stretches’) or fulcrum hanging as well. This shouldnt’ be done routinely, because it’s not the force the most important factor for gains, but time under tension. Definetely you shouldn’t use a fulcrum if you are a beginner.

Originally Posted by mister007
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I don’t see why my source would be any worse than yours? Surgeon is surgeon. I doubt the surgeon is lying. If he is lying, he probably wouldn’t say “In some cases there is no increase in length.”


Your source is from a guy who makes money on the skin of guillible people. Not only with misinformation and risky surgery, but also beeing paid to sell you overpriced penile devices:

“Professor Sava Perovic says: “Regarding postoperative physiotherapy — it is best is to start with an ANDROPENIS stretcher (Euros 250) about two weeks post-operatively (when the wounds have healed). In the beginning, hold it 2-3 times per day for about 20-30 minutes each time in the beginning and slowly increase the time so eventually, after 3-4 weeks, you hold your penis for 5 or 6 or 7 hours/day. Using a vacuum device (Euros 150) is better postponed until about four weeks after surgery with the same protocol as published online.” Both the Andronpenis device and the vacuum are available from a company in Belgrade if you notify the doctors in advance that you want to purchase them while there.”
http://www.medical-tourism-in-thail…-questions.html

Surgeon is surgeon? Yeah, right.

“if you notify the doctors in advance that you want to purchase them while there.”

You don’t have to buy anything. Of course they have devices to sell because they are also saying that you need to hang/stretch for months after the surgery.

What should they do? Give you instructions to homemade Bib-hanger?

Your source is still talking only about the suspensory ligament.

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