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Originally Posted by optimalss
Another factor is why 2” gain seem more realistic and attainable, is once a 6” went to a 8” or a 5” to a 7”, the “hunger” for growth will diminish.

Meaning workout intensity, and mental focus should not be as high.

I don’t believe 4” gains or 3” gains are unattainable, it’s that most won’t continue past 2” and most will not even get the 1.5” gain.

Seems most get the 1” quick gain and the interest level drops.

I went from 5.5” to 8.25BPEL in over three years. If anything I spend more time doing PE now than three years ago.


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5.5” to 8.25 over three years? Wow, that is amazing. I got only 0.5” gain over two years. What is your technique?

I would love to be a part of this group one day. I want to be completely scientific when it comes to PE and plan to post starting pics soon. I am have started on the newbie program and after that I would need some help in deciding which program to do in order to obviously gain the most I can. I am starting out at 6 and 1/4 NBPEL and 5 and 1/4 maybe a hair over EG.

Another thing.. SHould the kegels for the newbie program be in the erect state?

Like Bib, I work for myself and have a lot of privacy. Yet I was only able to manage 2-3 hours of actual hang time 5 days a week. There were times I needed to go out, get the mail, visit clients, deal with sick kids, etc.

It is actually remarkably difficult to stay strapped to a chair for “8 hours a day.” In fact, it may not be possible to do it without having a staff of people supporting you. Maybe if my wife, children and extended family were all dedicated to my hanging …

I maintained this 2-3 hours per day routine for about 6 months. I gained nothing. I may have even lost some size. I have no reason to believe that hanging for longer periods would have worked better. So, I don’t think it’s a foredrawn conclusion that time is the critical ingredient, or that Bib gained because he put in the time. I put in a shitload of time and never gained.


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I hope no one takes this the wrong way but I have not seen ANYONE with hanging time or poundage posted like bib’s. Can anyone honestly say they’ve done a full cycle with 45 lbs of hanging with a bib type hanger? For that matter there can’t be many that can claim they’ve hung 45+ lbs for even 5 minutes much less a full session, and certainly not an entire cycle. It’s common sense, even among the people insane enough to do pe, that kind of weight has to produce something. Either growth or a penis laying on the ground under your chair.

So as I said before, if you’re going to doubt anything then doubt the amount of work that was put into it. Don’t doubt the gains. Either way put your OWN work into the equation. Then maybe some of the naysayers will be qualified to call bullshit, rather than just saying I don’t believe it because I didn’t see a picture of it.

For those that question the people who claim large gains then sell the products related to the gains, may I suggest an intro economics / finance course? They aren’t breaking the bank by selling pe products. It’s a small, despite what some think, demographic to target. There are much easier ways to make much more money. Religion seems to pay well, but that’s another topic I suppose. The thing I find funniest about this is bib didn’t market his hanger, infact people asked him to make it then when it was off the market they virtually begged him to market it again. Either he’s adept at hustling the newbie, again there are much better / profitable ways to utilize this skill, or he may have a product that’s worth using.

The above post is just my two cents but blind doubt aggravates me just as much if not more than blind faith.


Last edited by vic20 : 10-24-2007 at .

I personally think it is possible. It will just take a lot of persistence and time.

Originally Posted by vic20

I hope no one takes this the wrong way but I have not seen ANYONE with hanging time or poundage posted like bib’s. Can anyone honestly say they’ve done a full cycle with 45 lbs of hanging with a bib type hanger? For that matter there can’t be many that can claim they’ve hung 45+ lbs for even 5 minutes much less a full session, and certainly not an entire cycle.

As I understand Bib’s history, he only hung with 45# for a short period of time near the end of his PE career, long after he had gotten most of his gains.

Originally Posted by vic20

It’s common sense, even among the people insane enough to do pe, that kind of weight has to produce something. Either growth or a penis laying on the ground under your chair.

For me, hanging just half that weight produced an inflammatory response that ultimately caused my dick to contract. You’re assuming that, in the battle between the weight and body, the weight will win. That is not necessarily true. Not everybody gains through hanging, regardless of weight.

The assertion that, if only we had the time to hang as much as Bib did, we’d gain like him, is highly suspect. Nobody has that much time, so nobody can ever disprove that assertion. As the Church Lady would say, “How convenient.”

I had nearly that much time but could still only manage 2-3 hours a day in the hanger, on average. The thought of anybody doing 8 hours a day seems impossible to me.

So, the gains themselves strain credibility.

The time he claims he spent strains credibility.

The complete lack of corroborating evidence strains credibility.

Also, I don’t think the fact that he involved his kids in his PE business supports his credibility. That’s a very complicated issue, but I would certainly have a hard time involving my kids in anything to do with PE. Maybe that’s just me.

Basically, everything about Bib’s story is hard to believe. I’m not saying it’s false; I’m just saying it’s damn hard to believe. In my opinion, a rational person would reject it, unless clear, indisputable, corroborating evidence were put forth.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 10-24-2007 at .

Originally Posted by ModestoMan


For me, hanging just half that weight produced an inflammatory response that ultimately caused my dick to contract.

Too much weight too soon. Your body didn’t have time to adapt only to protect itself. Would’ve been better to ride the fatigue.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
The assertion that, if only we had the time to hang as much as Bib did, we’d gain like him, is highly suspect. Nobody has that much time, so nobody can ever disprove that assertion.

Nobody? So once again just because SOME don’t have that time, more specifically in this case YOU didn’t have that amount of time it’s now correct to assert that NOBODY has that kind of time?

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I had nearly that much time but could still only manage 2-3 hours a day in the hanger, on average. The thought of anybody doing 8 hours a day seems impossible to me.

Once again a situation where since YOU can’t seem to do it, you doubt ANYONE can do it.


Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Also, I don’t think the fact that he involved his kids in his PE business supports his credibility. That’s a very complicated issue, but I would certainly have a hard time involving my kids in anything to do with PE. Maybe that’s just me.

Once again you’re assuming he’s breaking the bank with this cottage “industry”. People involve children in family businesses on a regular basis. If you found out that the farm responsible for the breakfast you ate this morning had children on it, would you then stop eating?

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Basically, everything about Bib’s story is hard to believe. I’m not saying it’s false; I’m just saying it’s damn hard to believe. In my opinion, a rational person would reject it, unless clear, indisputable, corroborating evidence were put forth.

Quit hedging and fence sitting. Either you believe the guy’s a liar or you believe he’s telling the truth. Save the politically incorrect crap. At this point it makes no difference to me. It is interesting to note that there are more people trying to prove bib wrong, or a liar, than there are trying his routine. It’s also funny that bib has made little attempt at disproving the naysayers. In my experience liars will go to great lengths, bad pun, to try to prove their stories.

I like the bib hanger and use it. I’ve gained with it and will continue to use it.

Originally Posted by vic20

Too much weight too soon. Your body didn’t have time to adapt only to protect itself. Would’ve been better to ride the fatigue.

So it was my fault. Maybe. But I was in close communication with Bib, whose clear advice to me was to increase the weight above 12# since I wasn’t gaining after several months and he considered me a vet.

Originally Posted by vic20

Nobody? So once again just because SOME don’t have that time, more specifically in this case YOU didn’t have that amount of time it’s now correct to assert that NOBODY has that kind of time?

My point is that I did have that amount of time, or nearly so, and it was still damn difficult to exceed 2-3 hours per day in the hanger. One has to be a complete recluse to do that. Yet Bib was no recluse. He was an apparently successful real estate manager. Clearly, he’d have to get up from his chair once in a while.

Originally Posted by vic20

Once again a situation where since YOU can’t seem to do it, you doubt ANYONE can do it.

Again, I didn’t say it was impossible, only that it seemed impossible. Someone out there could probably do it, but I don’t think he could do it on his own. He would require help.

Originally Posted by vic20

Once again you’re assuming he’s breaking the bank with this cottage “industry”. People involve children in family businesses on a regular basis. If you found out that the farm responsible for the breakfast you ate this morning had children on it, would you then stop eating?

But this is a dick growing business, and the kids were his sons. Just think for a moment what that would be like. It would indeed require a very special relationship (either amazingly healthy or patricidally dysfunctional) for a father to make the kinds of disclosures necessary to explain the Bib Hanger business and then to have the kids agree to participate. If I were his son, I think I’d rather work at Denny’s.

Originally Posted by vic20

Quit hedging and fence sitting. Either you believe the guy’s a liar or you believe he’s telling the truth. Save the politically incorrect crap. At this point it makes no difference to me. It is interesting to note that there are more people trying to prove bib wrong, or a liar, than there are trying his routine. It’s also funny that bib has made little attempt at disproving the naysayers. In my experience liars will go to great lengths, bad pun, to try to prove their stories.

As a moderator, I don’t think it’s my role to express my own naked opinions about other members (let alone another moderator), when I could very well be wrong. I don’t mean to cause Bib any harm. My interest is in protecting new members from adopting Bib as a role model and following his regime.

Regardless of whether Bib succeeded at what he did, most people (like, over 99%) will not succeed to nearly the degree he claims to have. Some will gain 1/4” to 1”. But I think they could get similar gains using manual exercises that take much less time.

I personally followed Bib’s regime, and I never gained. I can’t tell you how much time I wasted and how many opportunities, both social and professional, I passed over so I could strap myself into a hanger and pray to the dick fairy for results. It disgusts me now to think about it.

Hanging works for some guys to some degree, just like any other form of PE. But it’s not a magic bullet, and I think Bib’s alleged experience leads people to believe that it is.

If Bib is a liar, then he is a master manipulator. If he’s telling the truth, then he sets the mark unrealistically and unattainably high for the overwhelming majority of guys. In either case, he shouldn’t be used as a role model. That’s where I’m coming from.


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Modesto Man,

I feel your pain, and to a certain degree I feel the same way about the time and life style I lived during my peak PE months and years.

True PE is an “all in” commitment- looking back I realize the thousand of hours I spent view porn and hanging could have been spent in many other ways. However the best I can do now is understand why I did it and move on with this self awareness or knowledge of myself .

What I have come to understand is that it really doesn’t matter that I have a bigger dick and that although my penis wasn’t more than 6 inches before it was good enough and my girlfriend/ wife loved me either way.

My PE habit was for myself to cover-up my deep sense of inadequately about who I believe I was. The reality is that after going the distance and accomplishing my goals size wise I was still the same person only with a bigger penis.

So having said all this I’m sure there are thousands of guys PEing without these issues and that’s a good thing.

And for those guys and everyone else I believe it is the veteran guys who should help out the others so that these newer less experience people can get the most out of their time spent.

I think with some of the recent different approaches such as clamping the ability to combine an ongoing PE program with a relatively “normal life style is more available.

Unfortunately with hanging this really an option due to the nature of the activity.

On this note a couple of things I learned along the way about hanging is that less wrap used the better results I got. While I couldn’t get to the point where I was using no wrap (as bib did) I did get down to a single wrap which allowed for a much better direct pull on my ligs.

When i first started and for most of my first year I was using both the thera band and a cloth sock under the hanger and while a developed a lot of skin stretching I didn’t see the alot of my length gains.

The other thing I like to share is that most of my time hanging was spent in a non fatigued state. The ideal approach to hanging is to get to this fatigued phase if you will and continue to hang through it.

Finally the issue of weight used isn’t as significant as the quality of the session(s). For example if I was hanging with a larger amount of weight however struggling the entire time it was far less effective than when I was hang less weight and comfortable and feeling the exercise. In this case I was able to focus better on the hang and not on the discomfort. Sort of like lifting weights and cheating with more weight instead of using proper form and feeling the exercise in the specific body part.

Well that’s all I have to offer.

Good night now.

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Thanks, ledzep. I really appreciate the comments. The idea that it takes a year to work the bugs out of a hanging routine before seeing any real progress is a tough pill to swallow. Maybe if I had hung for another year or 10 I would have seen progress and maybe would even believe that 4.5” gains were attainable. My personal experience with hanging has definitely colored my opinions on this matter.

As it turns out, I don’t really need to hang. I’ve gained just over an inch by doing manual exercises, and I’m quite happy with my current size. A little more would be nice, but it’s certainly not worth strapping myself to a chair for another year.

If I ever decide to restart a PE program, I think I’ll go with Mem’s momentous routine, with some Wantsmore stretches thrown in for good measure.


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Sorry for the off-topic: what do you think about extenders, ModestoMan?

I haven’t done much with extenders. I once tried building one out of some junk I found at the local hardware store. It worked pretty well but was huge and impossible to hide. I wore it for about 3 minutes and then threw it in a scrap heap.

Assuming they work, extenders are a whole lot better than hangers since they don’t confine a person to being in a fixed position (strapped to a chair) for long periods of time. You can get up and walk around, assuming there’s no one else about.

There’s still the problem of social isolation, though. Even if you can find an extender small enough to be discretely tucked out of sight, it still there, and you know it’s there. Even if other people don’t see it, you’re worrying that they might or that it might be discovered. That can really cramp a person’s style.

It’s best to keep your PE private.

I tried using an all-night-strecher for a while. It was a vacuum hanger pulled up using a chest harness. It worked fine, but it didn’t give me any gains. :(

I really think that manual exercises are king. Stretch many times over the course of the day, with at least one intense set, and throw in some jelqing. That’s the only thing that’s ever worked for me.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 12-15-2008 at .

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