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Here is just one of many and this particular one is Q/A by a doctor.

“It is a sexual problem, but it is not caused by having your foreskin removed. Please find one web site that says circumcision is the cause of erectile dysfunction. Just one. Oh, and penis enlargement and anti-circumcision web sites don’t count. Find an erectile dysfunction web site that lists causes of ED. Show me one that includes circumcision in the list. “

LOL. Quack Lin. Even he doesn’t say circumcision causes ED, at least not on the page you linked.

You wrote:
>Here is just one of many…

Ok, let’s see a few more of these “many.”

“Though the study finds significant dissatisfaction with
circumcision, the rate of dissatisfaction is probably higher than reported
because people tend to avoid actions that stimulate emotional discomfort. The
low rate of response (44%) to the mailed survey form suggests that
non-responders may not have wanted to stir uncomfortable feelings about their
dissatisfaction with their circumcision.”“…cumcision_3.htm

I still don’t see anything in any of those links saying circumcision causes ED. In fact, the first link says:

Physical consequences

Without appropriate research on outcome, presumptions of beneficial or even benign results from childhood circumcision are unjustified. Respondents reported wide-ranging physical consequences from their circumcisions. Among the most significant were prominent scarring (33%), insufficient penile skin for comfortable erection (27%), erectile curvature from uneven skin loss (16%), pain and bleeding upon erection/manipulation (17%), painful skin bridges (12%), other, e.g. beveling deformities of the glans, meatal stenosis, recurrent non-specific urethritis (20%).

No mention of erectile dysfunction.


You are right. I am giving in. The power of denial is greater than facts anyway.

“Sexual & Psychological Complications

The sexual consequences are difficult to accurately calculate. It is difficult to calculate sensory and pleasure components between the differences of intact and circumcised men. Studies by NOHARMM report progressive sensory loss causing sexual dysfunction. Problems included erectile problems, ejaculatory difficulties, anorgasmia, difficulty with adequate stimulation during vaginal intercourse”

Swinger - I think I understand now that you and I are both anti-circumcision. I’ve seen these web sites before and I agree with most of the things they say. Circumcision is a bad thing. It can cause loss of sensitivity which can lead to unsatisfactory sexual relations. I’m not promoting this procedure in any way. We’re on the same “side” of the argument.

The point of my asking for a web site related to erectile dysfunction is that r0ad_h0gg says, without qualification, that infant circumcision causes ED. My position is that circumcision is not a known cause of ED and that Mr. h0gg doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I asked for a single erectile dysfunction web site that lists circumcision as a cause. You gave me the wacky Dr. Lin and a couple anti-circumcision sites.

Did you know that Lin is not a physician? He’s not a medical doctor. He has a PhD in electrical engineering. He is not qualified to speak on most of the topics he discusses on his several web sites. He has been discussed here many times and is regarded as eccentric and a purveyor of false information.

Quoting from anti-circumcision web sites is going at it by having a solution looking for a problem. The studies done on these site have a built in prejudice making circumcision the culprit in many crimes. Once again I’ll tell you that I am against this form of mutilation. But I am not going to compromise known physiological principles by saying circumcision is responsible for things that it is not.

You still haven’t answered my question about how my choice of reasons to restore makes any difference in how I respond to r0ad_h0gg’s wild theories. You’ve hinted that I’m bending the truth or arguing for circumcision and I’m trying to find out why you believe that.

Originally posted by SwingerNYC
You are right. I am giving in. The power of denial is greater than facts anyway.

I don’t see that you’ve presented any facts. You’re giving us emotional responses from web sites that have a vested interest in making circumcision an all encompasing evil.

Like bibblackstick you’re dismissing me and all I’ve said with your “I give in” attitude. I’m not trying to “win” anything. I’m just trying, as I said before, to prevent false theories from becoming “facts.”

J Urol. 2002 May;167(5):2111-2.

Effects of circumcision on male sexual function: debunking a myth?

Collins S, Upshaw J, Rutchik S, Ohannessian C, Ortenberg J, Albertsen P.

Department of Urology, Louisiana State University School of Medicine, New Orleans, Louisiana, USA.

PURPOSE: Claims of superior sexual sensitivity and satisfaction for uncircumcised males have never been substantiated in a prospective fashion in the medical literature. We performed such a study to investigate these assertions. MATERIALS AND METHODS: The Brief Male Sexual Function Inventory (BMSFI) was administered to sexually active males older than 18 years before undergoing circumcision. After a minimum interval of 12 weeks after the operation, the survey was again administered. The 5 domains of the BMSFI (sexual drive, erections, ejaculation, problem assessment overall satisfaction) were each given a summed composite score. These scores before and after circumcision were then analyzed by Wilcoxon signed-rank testing. RESULTS: All 15 men who participated in the study between September 1999 and October 2000 were available for followup. Mean patient age plus or minus standard deviation was 36.9 +/- 12.0 years. There was no statistically significant difference in the BMFSI composite scores of reported sexual drive (p >0.68), erection (p >0.96), ejaculation (p >0.48), problem assessment (p >0.53) or overall satisfaction (p >0.72). CONCLUSIONS: Circumcision does not appear to have adverse, clinically important effects on male sexual function in sexually active adults who undergo the procedure.

PMID: 11956452 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

glans circulation issue

Not to discourage people from restoring if they want to, but In reading another messageboard, I found an examples of uncut guys who have the same issue with a soft head:

“I have the same thing happen to me when erect. I have a rather long foreskin (at least i think it is) and my glans is not all that hard when it’s not retracted, however when I pull it back and hold it there my glans becomes fully engorged, is this what happens with you?? Then when i let go it just goes back to how it was.. I think this is just a thing us uncut have. This also could be coz you’re not getting hard/stimulated enough to pump enough blood into the glans.”

It’s funny how he says “I think this is just a thing us uncut have.” And here a few are saying that it must be because we’re cut.


Trying to compare adulthood circumcision to infantile circumcision is laughable. Hobby, there’s absolutely no comparison what so ever. The penis is fully developed/grown with a retractable foreskin which allows for an accurate job to be performed. The patient can tell his doctor/surgeon exactly what type of circumcision that he prefers. If he’s wise, he’ll ask the doctor to leave as much of his inner foreskin as possible a long with all of the frenulum.

The follow up survey that was done twelve weeks after the operation (note I called it an operation instead of a mutilation) does not give enough time. I would like you to find one of these types of surveys that follow up on the patients (note I said patients instead of victims) twelve years afterward. How about twenty four years? Or maybe forty eight years? Once all of them need a piece of steel wool to obtain an erection, just maybe they might have a different opinion as to whether or not they should have been circumcised.

Since so many people here seem to put stalk in to porno films, I challenge any one here to watch a porno with an intact man so that you can see the difference in sexual performance for yourself.


Originally posted by deeznuts
Well, I am cut. And most likely I have lost some sensations because of it. But I can never really know can I? I can tell you this … When a girl is giving me oral or I when I enter a vagina, nothing in the world feels better, so I am happy.

Sometimes I feel I'm too sensitive already, the feeling is overwhelming. And I'm horny all the time, every single day, much to the chagrin of my partner, who sometimes isn't up to the task. And my erections are rock hard, and straight as an arrow.

If circumcisions do in fact cause ED, reduced testosterone, and sex drive, well I'm glad it missed me. Now if I can just get rid of this premature ejaculation problem … and oh yeah grow my dick about 2 inches bigger, I'm all set!


Below is a writing from the thirteenth century which explains why men have problems with premature ejaculation:

<< Marc Saperstein. Decoding the Rabbis: A Thirteenth-Century Commentary on the Aggadah. Cambridge, Mass, and London, England: Harvard University Press, 1980: pp. 97-98.

[CIRP Note: Rabbi Isaac ben Yedaiah, who lived in Southern France in the late 13th century, explained why he considered circumcision to be advised for the Jewish male.]
A quotation from Rabbi Isaac ben Yedaiah of Southern France, late 13th century, as provided by Marc Saperstein:
Pages 97-98

A man uncircumcised in the flesh desires to lie with a beautiful-looking woman who speaks seductively to attract him. He vexes his mind to be with her day after day, growing weary in his attempt to fulfil his desire through lovemaking with her.

She too will court the man who is uncircumcised in the flesh and lie against his breast with great passion, for he thrusts inside her a long time because of his foreskin, which is a barrier against ejaculation in intercourse. Thus she feels pleasure and reaches an orgasm first. When an uncircumcised man sleeps with her, and then resolves to return to his home, she brazenly grabs him, holding on to his genitals and says to him, “Come back, make love to me.” This is because of the pleasure that she finds in intercourse with him, from the sinews of his testicles—sinew of iron—and from his ejaculation—that of a horse which he shoots like an arrow into her womb. They are united without separating, and he makes love twice and three times in one night, yet the appetite is not filled.

And so he acts with her night after night. The sexual activity emaciates him of his bodily fat, and afflicts his flesh, and he devotes his brain entirely to women, an evil thing. His heart dies within him; between her legs he sinks and falls. He is unable to see the light of the King’s face, because the eyes of the intellect are plastered over by women so that they cannot now see light.

But when a circumcised man desires the beauty of a woman, and cleaves to his wife, or to another woman comely in appearance, he will find himself performing his task quickly, emitting his seed as soon as he inserts his crown. If he lies with her once, he sleeps satisfied, and will not know her again for another seven days. This is the way a circumcised man acts time after time with the woman he loves. He has an orgasm first; he does not hold back his strength. As soon as he begins intercourse, he immediately comes to a climax.

She has no pleasure from him when she lies down on when she arises, and it would be better for her if he had not known her and not drawn near to her, for he arouses her passsion to no avail, and she remains in a state of desire for her husband, ashamed and confounded, while the seed is still in her “reservoir.” She does not have an orgasm once a year except on rare occasions, because of the great heat and the fire burning within her. Thus he who says “I am the Lord’s” will not empty his brain because of his wife or the wife of his friend. He will find grace and good favor; his heart will be strong to seek out God. he will not fear to behold that which is beyond, and when He speaks to him, he will not turn away.

Cite as:
Rabbi Isaac ben Yedaiah. Translation in: Marc Saperstein. Decoding the Rabbis: A Thirteenth-Century Commentary on the Aggadah. Cambridge, Mass, and London, England: Harvard University Press, 1980: pp.97-98. >>

Like I said in previous posts, circumcision is done to “tame a man down”.


My goal: from 11.9 cm NBPEL to 18 cm NBPEL (~7 ") or never...!!!! after 5 weeks(and a long break): 12.5 cm NBPEL

I’m considering using the film canister method, either that or the TLC tugger.

PEing since Jan 1st, 2003


I’ve discovered that Rejuveness tape works great for t-taping. It would probably work great for the canister method too. A word of caution - It sticks so well that it’s difficult to remove. I rub a water soluble cream in to my skin before taping so that the tape comes off easy with the aid of warm water.

Using Rejuveness for t-taping has been working very well for me since I’ve discovered it about a month ago. The skin growth has been exceptional!

I personally wouldn’t recommend the tlc tugger. I have tried it only to find it very disappointing. It impedes blood circulation just like I had suspected it would. You can’t wear it for extended periods.

The t-tape that I make with Rejuveness takes me less that ten minutes from start to finish including the application of it on to my penis.

All you need is a roll of Rejuveness tape, a suspender strap with the clips, a ruler, a pencil, scissors, water soluble cream, and a little perseverance everyday and you will have skin growth in a short time.


Hey Road:

If I was 7 x 6.5 nbp, I wouldn’t be fucking around with PE, I’d be out building that car or monster truck you want. PE for yourself not your girlfriend. I would love to be uncut and with some PE exercises I’m gaining a bit of foreskin back when flaccid. I’m thinking of introducing pumping along with my hanging routine. LAPumps has a foreskin retoration tube which I’m considering getting. I have no problems getting erections, partcularly for my age (59) - hell, I can look at it and it pops up, just wish there was more to pop up. I think an uncut cock looks very nice and I could use that extra quarter inch the doc cut off. Glenn


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