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Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!

Originally Posted by Lampwick
Recently I’ve been advising newbies that the Newbie Routine is a ceiling, not a floor, and that it should be employed along with monitoring PIs. There’s no harm to going slower or doing less than the Newbie Routine, except for possible ineffective (or less effective) PE and slower gains. That’s better than prematurely ending gains because you are overstressing and toughening tissues rather than expanding them.

Well said, and really good advice! Thats why I have been recommending this for a while now:

NEW newbie + advanced routine

Some guys have found they have made amazing gains with about 5 minutes of modest stress jelquing, EVERY OTHER DAY!

So, its really sensible to start with very modest time and force, watch your PIs and EQ carefully as you slowly increase over time. I think its as close to a “can’t miss” as you can ask for in PE.

Sparkyx,

This thread is great and the truth. I beat the crap out of myself on a month long spree of power jelqing and stretching for an hour or more a day and became near impotent. I shrunk and lost size. Lost my night wood. My spontaneous erections gone. Head got cold. Etc etc.. It was horrible and scary. My sexuality and love making is a huge part of my being. Lets just say it has been a horrifying experience. But I took a week rest (on day 4 now) and my flaccid is bigger. My erections are coming back at full tilt (a ten on the scale) spontaneous and nighters. My libido has come back as well. I am going to resume PE on Saturday with a lighter routine. Less is more in my case. Thank you for this thread it helped me through this trial.


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The scariest part was I could not get a full erection and had such a hard time maintaining my erection for over two weeks during love making. It made me realize how precious a healthy organ is. So the love making was not allowing my organ to heal and it turned into this snow ball effect where I was basically using all my mental techniques to get a 70-80% erection or was impotent (limp). Which thankfully along with my stamina (and mouth) can still get my woman off. :-)

I kept reading this thread and it was like my therapist and gave me hope. I seriously thought I was broken. God help us all.

That is a great post and link! I have one question about what the following quote means:
I apologize for rehashing this. You probably have defined it multiple times.

“If you have been over training, you will find after about a week or so, your EQ will start to improve. It may continue to improve for several weeks, at which point it will slowly begin to decrease again. This is the point to begin training again.”

Are you saying after a week or so of rest EQ will return?
And your saying after several weeks of no PE the EQ decreases. Then start PE again?
So your saying overtrain, rest, eq comes back but then declines after weeks of no pe?
Thank you for your time and clarifying, Sparkyx.
I am an individual who has the potential to get a 2 inch gain in length and probably that in girth as well. Just by jelqing and manual stretches. My unit responds well. Especially in erect gains. More of a grower than shower.
I will sure help others as I learn the ropes of PE and my unit.

What I am going to do is listen to your advice and come back with 10 minutes of intense jelq and 10 minutes of manual stretching. I might actually take another week off.

Ok I read it again and again and understand that statement now!

Originally Posted by trailrun
That is a great post and link! I have one question about what the following quote means:
I apologize for rehashing this. You probably have defined it multiple times.

“If you have been over training, you will find after about a week or so, your EQ will start to improve. It may continue to improve for several weeks, at which point it will slowly begin to decrease again. This is the point to begin training again.”

Are you saying after a week or so of rest EQ will return?
And your saying after several weeks of no PE the EQ decreases. Then start PE again?
So your saying overtrain, rest, eq comes back but then declines after weeks of no pe?

If you are over trained, and you take a decon break, you most likely will see the following:

after a period of time, you will see a dramatic increase of EQ (which has been depressed because of the over training…thats one sure way to see that you HAVE over trained)

after some additional time, EQ will begin to decrease again. If you lay off long enough you will return to your pre-PE baseline.

I now find that the time period is directly proportional to the amount of over training. If you beat the crap out of your dick, it will improve over a longer period of time (which means it may take long to completely recover).

If you are just a little over trained, you will recover quicker, and drop down to your pre-PE baseline quicker.

I think that it MAY be a good indicator to jump back in when the peak of your EQ starts to decline. However, this is the rule for when you are in a PE cycle and have dropped your EQ due to having over trained.

IF you are talking length for DECON break, I don’t think this can be used. Decon is to reset the tissue on a cellular level, and I don’t know what are precise indicators. The best I can come up with for now is when your flaccid penis has lost all its toughness and “chordyness”.

Try and remember how your dick felt to the touch (flaccid) and when it starts to feel that way again, enough decon time may have passed…but this is just my best guess. In general the higher stress for longer time frames, the longer this process will take.

I know some low stress jelquers that are probably ready to end decon after 2 weeks. I know some high stress hangers that needed to wait 3-6 months.

I’m not telling you TO over train, but what to do if you HAVE. There are PE systems that deliberately put you into over training or tissue trauma, and have a cycled recovery growth and decon period.

Thats a whole thread onto itself…the different methodologies and theories of growth.

Read my EQ thread linked at the bottom of my posts…it should clear this up for you.

I keep hearing the term “turtling”. Now, in my mind I imagine after being too strenuous with PE exercises and immediately following the exercise the penis pulls back to it’s smallest flaccid size. Is this correct?

I searched the glossary and couldn’t find the term. Sorry if I missed it due to being blind =D

Originally Posted by Blackhatbrigade
I keep hearing the term “turtling”. Now, in my mind I imagine after being too strenuous with PE exercises and immediately following the exercise the penis pulls back to it’s smallest flaccid size. Is this correct?

I searched the glossary and couldn’t find the term. Sorry if I missed it due to being blind =D

Right.

Thanks a lot for this! I finally realised where iv been going wrong

Just an update like anyone cares anyway.

I PE’d Last weekend and got carried away again. Beat it down when it was on the ground already. I just had two amazing workouts and never thought that on Monday it would be a piece of shriveled dead meat. Well I stopped PE 100%.

My thing was beat up and the skin was shriveling up and dried. Well last night I got my first decent night wood in a long time. It felt great to my confidence. I noticed it is coming to life again and it is thicker and longer when erect. Now I know what shedding the skin means. Going to take all next week off too. Then start doing jelq one day stretch the next.

Besides a very good read, and advice, the article did give me a laugh as I read it. ( The hammer part killed me, no idea why) So now I know the knowledge I have read will stick.

Thanks

First off, I really, really, (I could add several more “reallys”, but I think you get the point), appreciate your posts. I’m a newbie and this is going to help an incredible amount.

My questions is: How does sex figure into PE? My guess is it’s probably the same .. Just watch your dick and see what it does .. Check the PIs! Or is there something more you’d like to add?

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