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High Erect Jelqing Project (HEJP)

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High Erect Jelqing Project (HEJP)

Been a long time since I made a new thread, so here we go :woot2:

(If you don’t want my story summarized, skip to the title “The Project”)

I’ve been pouring out my discontent here the last few years, especially the last few days, about how I cannot gain girth at all.
I’ve gone back and forth between jelqing, clamping, pumping, bending, etc without any results at all except for discoloration and loss of sensation.
The only insignificant girth gain I’ve made, is base girth and has come from hanging (yeah I know its comical), and since my unit is cone shaped, my MSEG has gone up slightly.
I’ve been quite obsessed with PE since I got into it, and I’ve always been very dedicated and consistent.

I’ve recently started trying again, ‘cause I just won’t give up, but I got obstacles in my way. I cannot clamp my unit any longer, I’ve never been able to trap blood with the regular cable clamps no matter how I wrap or how hard I push down and close. I’ve tried a hose clamp, that worked a few years ago, but not anymore. I can tighten it so much that it almost cuts my unit in two pieces, and still the blood will not stay inside, and it hurts as well. So I went back to pumping, with or without cock rings, short or long sets, low or high pressure - it doesn’t matter, all I get is bad discoloration and loss of sensation. The post pump plump-effect you get is a huge confidence boost, but it has the opposite effect the next morning when you stare down at the pencil again. I’ve tried O-bends lately, but I just don’t feel anything from them, and I don’t get any expansion at all that stays. All this is making me depressed, ‘cause I see these other guys here gaining a great amount or girth with the same routines and commitment that I have.

:cutlass: The Project :cutlass:
One thing that I’ve never tried so far is erect jelqing. I know you should be conditioned to do these, and if there’s anything I am, its conditioned. I’ve made up my mind about a few things, but I need YOUR help to complete it. I’m going to PE 6 days on and 1 off, and the routine will simply be: Wet erect jelqs at 110% erection (cockring).
If I start to feel pain, I will add additional off day(s). The thing I need help with is how many minutes I should jelq each day.
I planned to increase the jelqing time every week, so I need a fair start amount, and a reasonably plus amount to add every week.

I promise to post before and after photos if you guys help me out here, and anyone are more than welcome to join HEJP!


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6

Hey bro, ever tried the uli-thing for clamping? Also at what erection level did you try to cut off blood when clamping?

Originally Posted by Pillars
Hey bro, ever tried the uli-thing for clamping? Also at what erection level did you try to cut off blood when clamping?

Hi Pillars!
I’ve tried it with no success yes. I always put on the hose/clamp while flaccid, and tighten it as I get harder. I always push my inner penis up and kegel at the same time as well before I close it to max. I tighten till it hurts actually, but it doesn’t matter, the blood will not stay trapped. I think I’ve deformed my unit’s base due to all the pumping/hanging earlier and therefore I’m having a hard time clamping now.


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6

HI TIG!

I suggest taking a good hard look (no pun intended) at this thread.

A Primer to Clamping & the OLF/OLR Method

Don’t let desperation push you into the danger zone. I think for many guys the big mistake is looking for expansion DURING the PE, and that causes them to push way too hard. There are a certain percentage of guys that only see gains on the recovery period, and you are probably one of them.

I think this method can be used with almost any PE method. If you can’t seem to pull off clamping, let me suggest water pumping. Go with moderate vacuum and try the cycling mentioned above.

[I think you would do well to take at least 2 weeks off completely before you start anything new.]

I would say start with about 1/2 inch less than your best bpel on a cyclinder that is marked on the outside with measurements so as it shows when you are at 7 inches, 7.25, 7.50 etc. Measure your bpel from the top, not the side and then measure and mark off the outside of the tube, measuring from the edge or rim. I see you are 7.5 inches so take your penis to 7.0 with vacuum force.

Seeing how you are looking for girth, you don’t need to pull the vacuum hard enough to even get up to bpel. I find that lower vacuum for longer times works girth best, and it will not deform or injure your dick.

If you find EQ is improving with that level of LUV (length under vacuum), then I would keep at that apx level in relation to your true bpel. If your bpel increases, increase your LUV accordingly.

With the OLF/OLR method, find the baseline of the MOST TIME with your LUV that doesn’t decrease your EQ over a period of about 5 days. What you then want to do it slowly increase time until you find that EQ begins to SLOWLY drop as the week progresses.

This is about right. IF you find EQ starting to RISE, increase the time some more to get it to begin to drop again. If EQ is dropping too fast, decrease time. Remember, you want it down to about 5 from 10 at the end of the time frame.

So, you will do a cycle of 14 days and you will slowly drop your EQ from about 10 down to about 5. You will then take about 1-2 weeks off.

With this method, the gains don’t happen DURING the on cycle, but show on the off cycle. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, otherwise you will push the vacuum level too high or chase longer times and throw off the effect.

I suspect you do way too much and never give your dick a chance to respond. Also you may have to cut out jacking off if that is a factor.

IF this works well for you, you can try shortening the cycles for example try dropping down to 7 days on and 3 days off, but keep the principle the same of slow steady overload dropping EQ, then back off to rest and grow. I suspect that 3 days on is the lowest you could effectively go and still get gains, but I may be wrong.

The water I believe is far better than air because even with low vacuum, it still has tremendous pull. Because you are going by LUV instead of using a vacuum gauge, you can just use a tube with a hand valve to pull vacuum instead of a pump. You just suck on the tube and close the valve and it makes it far easier.

Also, you may find you need time on the order of at least 20-30 minutes, but at 1/2 inch below your bpel LUV, that keeps the vacuum level reasonably low, but still effective when used at longer time intervals. You want to avoid edema, so if you need to keep sets to shorter times like 10 minutes, do so.

This should have the effect of giving you a very healthy dick, no edema or discoloration, great EQ on the off cycle and hopefully start to see girth gains.

Feel free to totally ignore this, but at least read the thread linked because I think the concept will be very helpful to you.


Last edited by sparkyx : 09-30-2009 at .

Originally Posted by sparkyx
HI TIG!

I suggest taking a good hard look (no pun intended) at this thread.

A Primer to Clamping & the OLF/OLR Method

Don’t let desperation push you into the danger zone.

Thanks Sparkyx, I’ve read the great thread!
Do you consider high erect jelqing to be more dangerous than clamping?
And still, I’ve tried all those clamping techniques lately actually, and I just cannot get the blood to stay like before ;( .
Well I haven’t tried with theraband yet, but I cannot seem to find it where I live. Do you know a good Internet shop that ships to Europe?


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6


Last edited by TenInchGoal : 09-30-2009 at .

Originally Posted by TenInchGoal
Thanks Sparkyx, I’ve read the great thread!
Do you consider high erect jelqing to be more dangerous than clamping?
And still, I’ve tried all those clamping techniques lately actually, and I just cannot get the blood to stay like before ;( .

Yes, I do. Further, I think you don’t respond to high forces or at least you are probably doing too much rather than not enough.

If you are looking for gains during your PE, expansion….yet you are one of the guys that only get gains during recovery period, then that explains why you never see any gains.

Originally Posted by TenInchGoal
Well I haven’t tried with theraband yet, but I cannot seem to find it where I live. Do you know a good Internet shop that ships to Europe?

You could just use t-shirt material cut into strips then rolled into a rope, or a soft rope about 1/4 inch thick. You don’t need anything fancy. Anything that is fairly soft that doesn’t cut into the skin will work.

Redzulu who appears to have started constriction, started with shoelaces!

UPDATE;
As Thunder pointed up, this needs to be amended with a warning that you need to be able to release this quickly in case you get into trouble.

The safety of cable clamps are the quick release feature. If you use material or laces, you MUST make sure you can untie it quickly. I suggest not actually tieing it, rather wrap it around then use a piece of tape to hold the end in place so it can be undone rapidly.


Last edited by sparkyx : 09-30-2009 at .

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Indicates to me that you are accumulating damage, so I would say use the water pumping for a while and let your dick get healthy again.

And thanks for extending your post with very interesting info! I’d really like to try water pumping, however I do unluckily not own a bathtub, so there goes my try…
I’m willing to give the OLF/OLR method a try, if I only can get my hands on some theraband wrap.

I’ve only been doing PE for a few days, (had a 5 months recuperation time), so I’m not really injured, but thanks for your concern ;) .

Cheers


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6

I think you tunica is too tight to allow your spongy body too expand any more. Have a look at the TGC theory.
I have been PEing for 3 years on and off and I gained 1 inch in girth in maybe a year. The reason I don’t know for sure is I didn’t watch it closely enough. The reason for my phenomenal girth gain is probably because I started bundled stretches early in my career (after 1 or 2 months). Bundled stretches stretch the tunica in every direction, also the layer of the tunica that is for girth limitation (there is one for girth and one for length). Due to the fact that my tunica has been stretched with high force in every direction, my spongy bodies could expand easily. In the beginning I wasn’t interested in girth, so the only thing I did was stretching. After my gains came to an end I tried jelqing and gained again. With only standard 70-80% erection jelqs I gained much girth in only a few months actually, that was because my tunica has been expanded before.

To sum it up, your tunica is most likely the limiting factor which means to achieve any girth gains you have to do bundled stretches but don’t exaggerate, they are very powerful. Bundled stretches because only with this stretch you get the layer of your tunica to expand that limits your girth.

I have mentioned this idea in our German forum and there are a bunch of people who experienced the same.
Btw. Thanks to the TGC-theory ( Focus Your PE and Gain! TGC Theory ), in my opinion it is one of the best explained ever

Originally Posted by wurst
I think you tunica is too tight to allow your spongy body too expand any more. Have a look at the TGC theory.
I have been PEing for 3 years on and off and I gained 1 inch in girth in maybe a year. The reason I don’t know for sure is I didn’t watch it closely enough. The reason for my phenomenal girth gain is probably because I started bundled stretches early in my career (after 1 or 2 months). Bundled stretches stretch the tunica in every direction, also the layer of the tunica that is for girth limitation (there is one for girth and one for length). Due to the fact that my tunica has been stretched with high force in every direction, my spongy bodies could expand easily. In the beginning I wasn’t interested in girth, so the only thing I did was stretching. After my gains came to an end I tried jelqing and gained again. With only standard 70-80% erection jelqs I gained much girth in only a few months actually, that was because my tunica has been expanded before.

To sum it up, your tunica is most likely the limiting factor which means to achieve any girth gains you have to do bundled stretches but don’t exaggerate, they are very powerful. Bundled stretches because only with this stretch you get the layer of your tunica to expand that limits your girth.

I have mentioned this idea in our German forum and there are a bunch of people who experienced the same.
Btw. Thanks to the TGC-theory ( Focus Your PE and Gain! TGC Theory ), in my opinion it is one of the best explained ever

Another great thread with credible theories!
I’ve got these rock hard 10-erections since ever, and all girth exercises only makes them even harder, not bigger. I buy the tire theory, but still, I’ve done mostly length exercises since I started with PE, when shall it be my time to gain girth? Or should I always do length exercises before doing the girth exercises? I like hanging, so I guess a few sets before jelqing shouldn’t harm right?


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6

Do you want base girth, mid-shaft, both?

I suppose you tried dry-jelqs also?

Originally Posted by marinera
Do you want base girth, mid-shaft, both?

I suppose you tried dry-jelqs also?

I want mid-shaft and upper part.
I tried dry-jelqs yes, it was the first thing I tried when I joined here ;) .
I cannot see how dry-jelqs could be doable when being 110% erect though, I think it would hurt :D .


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6

Relatively heavy hanging, unwrapped, in superset with Hores440, is my advice.

But you could need a long decon-break before.


Last edited by marinera : 09-30-2009 at .

Originally Posted by marinera
Relatively heavy hanging, unwrapped, is my advice.

Ok, thanks!


Start: 6.3 BPEL x 4.5 MSEG & 4.5 BSEG

Now: 7.7 x 4.7 x 5.5 BSEG

Goal: 8 x 6

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