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The beauty of hanging seems to be gains in both length and girth. My wife still wants more girth, and even to me the “snakey” look, while a constant source of amazement to me (1 1/2” later), just doesn’t look right. After a good jelq, yeah boy, that’s the flaccid look I want! So at 7 3/8” BP, I think it is time to add clamping to the routine, and get a bigger lower base girth. Thickone, you just jumped back into hanging at 20 lb, or did you work up to it?

Slezak


Start: 5/3/05 BPFL: 5.00" FG: 3.75" BPEL: 6.25" EG: 4.75" BPFSL: 7.00"

6/21/06 6.00 4.65 8.25" 5.50" 8.80"

9/21/07 6.25" 4.75" 8.25" 5.65" 9.20"

Thickone,

That’s really great news. I’m glad the hanging is beginning to work for you. As I was reading your last post, you first said that you were hanging up to 10 lbs., so I was going to suggest that you use more weight. But you’ve done that. Great. Are you still using the Captain’s Wench? If it’s working, don’t fix it. But if need be, in future you could consider the Bib regular or this new hanger. Make sure that you keep increasing the weight as needed. And make sure to use heat as well.

How many hours do you hang a week? What length do you think would be good for your girth?

Originally Posted by motivated
Thickone,

Are you still using the Captain’s Wench? If it’s working, don’t fix it. But if need be, in future you could consider the Bib regular or this new hanger. Make sure that you keep increasing the weight as needed. And make sure to use heat as well.

How many hours do you hang a week? What length do you think would be good for your girth?

Hi Motivated,
Yes, I’m still using the Captain’s Wench, but I don’t know if that will be the case for much longer. I think that 20 lbs. Is beginning to push the limits of my trusty Wench. I’ve checked into the Redi-Stretcher & I’m definitely interested. Are there any Redi-Stretcher users out there who would be kind enough to provide me with their personal experiences with TPS’s new device? If I do need to increase the weight, which I’m certain that I will, I will undoubtedly require a better hanger. I always warm up with a heating pad prior to hanging or even when using the Wench as an ADS. The hours that I hang will vary from week to week. The first week, I hung weights for 6.5 hours, but I used the Wench as an ADS, for almost 30 hours.

I’m starting to think that no more than 2-3 hanging sets are required, before applying the Wench as an ADS. I believe that 2-3 hanging sets are more than sufficient to “loosen up” my cock, before keeping it extended with an ADS. Granted, some of the force that I apply, with the Wench as an ADS, can be about as intense as the force applied while hanging. But, I try to vary the forces from light to heavy over a period of atleast 3-4 hours after hanging, when possible. I would like to increase my ADS time by a few more hours per day & I should be able to do that soon. I’m going to continue with this approach, until the gains stop & then I will increase the hanging sessions per day, & weight hung, as required. I, now believe, that the ADS part of the routine is the most important part. I still think that hanging is required, especially for us hard-gainers, but I think that without using an ADS afterward, you are wasting your time. I’m still experimenting, however, so only time will tell if I’m full of it or not. ;)

Also, I am making certain that I have enough rest days. When I was hanging before, I almost never had a rest day. I think that it’s very easy to get overzealous with your PE routine, but breaks between “workouts” are very important. I learned this the hard way in my personal exercise routine. I had been lifting for 3 months, 7 days a week, with no increased muscle mass. When I started to use my head & lift on Monday, Wednesday & Friday, I started to see dramatic gains. I packed on about 15 lbs. Of muscle, in just over 2 months & I believe that regular PE breaks are just as important for gains. Also, I’m very lucky that I didn’t get any injuries, by pushing myself like that. Now that I’m starting to work much smarter, I’m finally seeing some results. Sometimes, I wish that I could kick my own ass, for not seeing the forest for the trees. :D

Originally Posted by slezak
The beauty of hanging seems to be gains in both length and girth. Thickone, you just jumped back into hanging at 20 lb, or did you work up to it?

Slezak

Hi Slezak,
I hope that I don’t get anymore girth, we’ll see, but yes I started back with 20 lbs.. I had only been off for about 3 months & my cock is pretty tough, from 3 years of constant PE. Albeit, unsuccessful PE, until recently.

Originally Posted by motivated
What length do you think would be good for your girth?

I forgot to answer this question. Ideally, 9.125 nbp would give me about the same proportions as the “average” cock, only on a bigger scale. Realistically, I think that anything over 8” nbp would be OK. I would be thrilled if I had a nbp length somewhere in between these two sizes, say maybe 8.625” nbp. I should be able to get my pubic fat pad down to about .25” after the lipo. So, if I could get to 9” bp, that would give me about 8.75” nbp, which would give me a very rescpectable ratio of 1.19 nbp. Much more than this & I’m not sure how many women will be willing to take it, even if they can & most women definitely can take that much, once turned on properly. But, if I decide to go bigger, I could always turn to porn. I hear the money’s pretty good & the perks aren’t too bad either. :D

Thickone,

You might want to post your question about the Redi-Stretcher in the Hanger’s Forum. And search there for any feedback on the product.

How exactly are you using your Captain’s Wench as an ADS? Are you attaching light weights to it, or what? Just curious. I’m using the new AutoEXT. I agree with the importance of an ADS, unless, like Bib, you are hanging pretty much all day. But the AutoEXT, and I believe the PM and similar devices as well, is not at all capable of exerting as much force as hanging with 20 lbs. I think that it’s more equivalent to hanging with two or three or four pounds or so.

I agree that girth adds more to the perception of size than length but I also think that a lot of girls have been with very large men.

I am one of those guys that girls are comfortable talking with and I have noticed something over the years. Girls with in a group share the same huge guy.

A few years after high school I spoke with a girl I worked with about size. She and a bunch of other girls hung out with college football players and the rest of the jock crowd. She and a lot of her friends had fucked the same huge guy over a period of a couple of years. She heard all these stories about him and she was curious. She said she liked the girth but not the length. She said a lot of the girls fucked him and it was not big deal. Some loved it, and some didn’t like it very much at all. Of course, she doesn’t know about the girls who kept is a secret for whatever reason.

A few years latter I spoke with a girl who was part of a local “Rocky Horror Picture Show.” Again, after awhile, all the girls knew who was big. If they wanted to try it, they did.

This same girl, lets call her Rocky, also liked to go clubbing a lot. Her clubbing group of friends knew which guys were both very big as well as very good in bed. Did they fuck them? You bet.

My point is this, socially and sexually active girls communicate with each other and they participate in multiple socially activities from which they have access to large cock. Any given one of them may not be the best judge of size but with time and comparisons between many girls, the huge guys rise to the top of the size list.

Do they all seek log rides all of the time. Of course not. For some, they end up sitting next to one of the huge guys on a couch late at night as a party is winding down. They are single (or not), a little curios and these guys who make the gossip lists are usually sociable, funny and keep themselves in decent shape. An hour latter their legs are spread a little wider than usual.

Through participation multiple social actives and communication within those circles, the girls know who the available 1% ers are in penis size. They try it and if they love it, they seek it out. If it was just an interesting experience, it may be the one you are hearing about.

Before you go buy a rope to hang yourself, also know this. Most girls say huge cock is “kind of cool”, “interesting”, “painful”, “girth is nice”, “what ever” etc. They say things like, “I can’t believe I took the whole thing” far more often than “once you have had a huge cock your hooked.” In fact, I have never known of a girl saying that last quote.

Also, many girls don’t sleep around much or hang in circles where cock size comes up a lot.


Last edited by penismith : 08-07-2005 at .

Originally Posted by motivated
Thickone,

You might want to post your question about the Redi-Stretcher in the Hanger’s Forum. And search there for any feedback on the product.

How exactly are you using your Captain’s Wench as an ADS? Are you attaching light weights to it, or what? Just curious. I’m using the new AutoEXT. I agree with the importance of an ADS, unless, like Bib, you are hanging pretty much all day. But the AutoEXT, and I believe the PM and similar devices as well, is not at all capable of exerting as much force as hanging with 20 lbs. I think that it’s more equivalent to hanging with two or three or four pounds or so.

Hi Motivated,
Thanks, I’ll do that. To use the Captain’s Wench as an ADS, I attached a Velstrap, which I bought at Lowes, to the loop with some .125” twine, instead of the weight. I wrap the Velstrap around either leg or my neck, to get a good extension while I’m at the computer or sleeping. The pull can be pretty intense, depending on how I adjust the Velstrap. I don’t know, but I would have to say that the maximum tension, that I can get with this ADS, doesn’t feel that much different than hanging the 20lbs. I can’t hold this sort of pull for more than 30 minutes, before it’s too uncomfortable though & I usually use the Wench as an ADS at light tension levels. But, even at light tension, it can still get a little uncomfortable after a few hours, so I usually wake up after a couple of hours & remove it. I would like to be able to keep it on longer at night & during the day. I wish that I could find a good device that I could wear out in public, which wouldn’t be too obvious.

I just checked into the AutoEXT & it sounds pretty good. I like that you have the option of buying only the attachment device. I have a PeniMaster, although the base is broken, which I could attach this to. I believe that I could glue the base piece, but I don’t know how well it will hold. Do you think that they would sell me a base & attachment device? I could get a replacement base, from Germany, but that’s a hassle. The PeniMaster fits pretty snug at the base of my cock, but I can get it on. I’m wondering if the tight fit could get uncomfortable after a few hours, due to constricted blood flow, because it’s a very snug fit. Is this attachment method comfortable? I noticed that they have a large size available, is it only the attachment device that is larger & not the base too? Is it obvious that your wearing it?

Penismith,

That’s a very insightful, and in my opinion, accurate assessment.


Started: 2/03, Finished: 5/06, Total Gains: 1.375” BPEL 1.5” EG, Details: Progress after a year or longer off?

Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible—M. C. Escher

Originally Posted by penismith
I agree that girth adds more to the perception of size than length but I also think that a lot of girls have been with very large men.

No doubt about it & I agree that lots of girls have been with large men, but this begs the question: How large is very large & where might I find these “broken-in” women?

Originally Posted by penismith
She and a lot of her friends had fucked the same huge guy over a period of a couple of years. She heard all these stories about him and she was curious. She said she liked the girth but not the length. She said a lot of the girls fucked him and it was not big deal. Some loved it, and some didn’t like it very much at all.

I’ve experienced this myself, but sometimes, with less than optimal results. Most women will talk about their boyfriend’s cocks to their friends, but that doesn’t mean that they are inviting them to sample the goods. Even though, they are the ones telling their friends about their boyfriend’s cock size, or in my case, I believe, showing them a picture of it, the majority of women, are not willing to share the wealth, so to speak. Women are very competitive, as are men & I think that telling their girlfriends how big their boyfriend’s cock is, even when it may not be that big, is just a way of saying, “Look what I have & you don’t.” Sure, some girls are willing to pass their boyfriends cock around to their friends, without any qualms. Most women aren’t comfortable playing musical boyfriends, however. Most women & men don’t want their friends fucking with their bf/gf, even after they break up. This has been my experience atleast.

I knew girls in school who behaved that way, but as you get older, that sort of behaviour becomes more & more rare. Teenage girls are only beginning to experiment with sex & a lot of them tend to go wild, especially when they go away to college. The newfound freedom allows them to do things that they couldn’t do a home. But, once they graduate & have to start being responsible adults, most will adjust their sexual behaviour accordingly. Usually, by their mid twenties, they tend to shun this sort of behaviour. There are some, however, who never sexually mature & will stay in their “teen sexual experimentation mode” for the rest of their lives. I have an aunt like this. She is in her mid seventies, drives a Corvette convertible & tries to dress & act like she’s still young. She goes from one younger guy to the next & a lot of them are through her friends, who are all much younger. Granted, she doesn’t look anywhere near her age, thanks to her surgeon, but it still looks silly. She, also has a circle of female friends, most atleast 20 years her junior, who “share the wealth” with one another.

This has been the case with her for as long as I can remember. I’ve always been pretty close to her & she is pretty, shall we say, “open” with her past sexual encounters. So, some women & men, never grow up. I’m guilty of this as well, so don’t think that I’m trying to act superior, because I’m not. I tend to go from one woman to the next & never stay with any one woman for too long. But, I tend to avoid “hooking up” with the friends of my ex-sexual partners. I can’t really say girlfriends, because that implies some sort of commitment & I’m not good at that. This sort of behaviour, among adults, tends to lead to big problems & “ugly” scenes that I would rather avoid. That being said, I have done this a few times, but I’m only human & they were really big hooters. :D

Originally Posted by penismith
A few years latter I spoke with a girl who was part of a local “Rocky Horror Picture Show.” Again, after awhile, all the girls knew who was big. If they wanted to try it, they did.

This same girl, lets call her Rocky, also liked to go clubbing a lot. Her clubbing group of friends knew which guys were both very big as well as very good in bed. Did they fuck them? You bet.

Where is this girl & is there an opening in their show? I already have the toilet paper, but I’m not willing to be a sweet transvestite. :D

Originally Posted by penismith
My point is this, socially and sexually active girls communicate with each other and they participate in multiple socially activities from which they have access to large cock. Any given one of them may not be the best judge of size but with time and comparisons between many girls, the huge guys rise to the top of the size list.

Where is this list & can I pencil my name in? ;)

Originally Posted by penismith
Do they all seek log rides all of the time. Of course not. For some, they end up sitting next to one of the huge guys on a couch late at night as a party is winding down. They are single (or not), a little curios and these guys who make the gossip lists are usually sociable, funny and keep themselves in decent shape. An hour latter their legs are spread a little wider than usual.

In all seriousness, that same thing did happen quite a bit in my younger years. I would have to say that it was because of my winning smile, some really dirty limericks & my ripped abs. I defy any women to stay dry under that sort of barrage! OK, I’m not so serious afterall. :D

Originally Posted by penismith
Through participation multiple social actives and communication within those circles, the girls know who the available 1% ers are in penis size. They try it and if they love it, they seek it out. If it was just an interesting experience, it may be the one you are hearing about.

You misunderstood, the sex with this woman is good. I’ve actually been seeing her off & on for several months, which is a long time for me, so she must find it a bit more than just “interesting”. I haven’t been commited only to her, in this time, though & she knew that up front. None of her girlfriends have approached me yet, but I’m starting to think that it’s a foregone conclusion. I don’t know how she’ll react if I do “hook up” with one of her friends. Even though she knows that I’m having sex with other women, I don’t know how she’ll react if one of the “other women” ends up being one of her friends. A threesome might be the end result of this, but I don’t know yet. If that does happen, even if she says that she’s OK with it, it will undoubtedly screw everything up for both of us & I will be forced to move on. I would rather that not happen, because this circle of friends goes back as far as middle school in the case of one friend. (The hottest one too, damn it! :( ) Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by penismith
Before you go buy a rope to hang yourself, also know this. Most girls say huge cock is “kind of cool”, “interesting”, “painful”, “girth is nice”, “what ever” etc. They say things like, “I can’t believe I took the whole thing” far more often than “once you have had a huge cock your hooked.” In fact, I have never known of a girl saying that last quote.

Don’t worry about me, I’m fine. If I don’t get any more length to balance out the girth, I won’t “Shuffle off this mortal coil”, but I would like to gain about 1-1.5” more length. Also, I tend to say something very similar to the above statement. But mine is more like: “I can’t believe I ate the whole thing.” :D And it was tasty too…

Originally Posted by penismith
Also, many girls don’t sleep around much or hang in circles where cock size comes up a lot.

Amen to that, bruddah…

Thickone2004,

You make some good points about how context influences this sort of behavior.

I probably should have been more specific in commenting on Penissmith’s post. I think his accuracy and insightfulness are particularly true of college-age folks. For number of reasons, the “pass around/get around” factor tends to be much higher during those years.

Of course, as you mentioned, some never engage in it while others never seem to stop.


Started: 2/03, Finished: 5/06, Total Gains: 1.375” BPEL 1.5” EG, Details: Progress after a year or longer off?

Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible—M. C. Escher

Originally Posted by thickone2004
Hi Motivated,
Thanks, I’ll do that. To use the Captain’s Wench as an ADS, I attached a Velstrap, which I bought at Lowes, to the loop with some .125” twine, instead of the weight. I wrap the Velstrap around either leg or my neck, to get a good extension while I’m at the computer or sleeping. The pull can be pretty intense, depending on how I adjust the Velstrap. I don’t know, but I would have to say that the maximum tension, that I can get with this ADS, doesn’t feel that much different than hanging the 20lbs. I can’t hold this sort of pull for more than 30 minutes, before it’s too uncomfortable though & I usually use the Wench as an ADS at light tension levels. But, even at light tension, it can still get a little uncomfortable after a few hours, so I usually wake up after a couple of hours & remove it. I would like to be able to keep it on longer at night & during the day. I wish that I could find a good device that I could wear out in public, which wouldn’t be too obvious.

I just checked into the AutoEXT & it sounds pretty good. I like that you have the option of buying only the attachment device. I have a PeniMaster, although the base is broken, which I could attach this to. I believe that I could glue the base piece, but I don’t know how well it will hold. Do you think that they would sell me a base & attachment device? I could get a replacement base, from Germany, but that’s a hassle. The PeniMaster fits pretty snug at the base of my cock, but I can get it on. I’m wondering if the tight fit could get uncomfortable after a few hours, due to constricted blood flow, because it’s a very snug fit. Is this attachment method comfortable? I noticed that they have a large size available, is it only the attachment device that is larger & not the base too? Is it obvious that your wearing it?

I’m not clear on your question, but, yes, Monkeybar will sell both the base and attachment device for his AutoEXT. Or you can buy just the attachment device. But I suggest that you spring for the whole thing. He’s made his new base a bit larger as well. But as I said, you will not experience force anywhere near the equivalent of hanging with 20 lbs. with this kind of ADS. I find the AutEXT quite comfortable, relatively speaking. But, then, I’m not packing your kind of girth (yet!). Yes, it’s fairly obvious that you are wearing the thing. Monkeybar is up front about this. It’s really designed to wear around the house. Though I think some people have worn it out in public.

I’m a bit concerned that you are wearing your Wench at night. Like any part of our anatomy, the penis needs a constant supply of fresh blood. The general rule recommended here is to wear any constricting device for no longer than 20 minutes and to rest at least 10 minutes before putting it on again. Wearing the Wench at night, even if you wake up every couple of hours, is asking for some serious trouble, in my opinion. As you said, rest is also important for optimal growth. I don’t think that you are sacrificing anything by letting your Mr. Happy have nights off. Work him good during the day, when you can keep an eye on him. Perhaps take one or two days off during the week. But definitely keep him free of all constricting devices while you sleep. You don’t want to get that extra inch or two only to find that you can no longer use the thing! Anyhow, this is just a friendly warning.

Originally Posted by MX
Thickone2004,
I think his accuracy and insightfulness are particularly true of college-age folks. For number of reasons, the “pass around/get around” factor tends to be much higher during those years.

Ah, my salad years, I remember them well. Being an adult can really suck sometimes. Alright, now I’m depressed… ;( Oh wait, I can still legally bang an 18 year old, so never mind. :D But, I can remember that sweet 16 pussy being pretty nice. Damn the “Man” & his evil laws. Who, here among you, will stand with me to fight this sort of oppression! The age of consent must be lowered! :rofl:

How about this for a slogan: “Sixteen is great, 2 years, why wait? :D

Originally Posted by motivated
I’m not clear on your question, but, yes, Monkeybar will sell both the base and attachment device for his AutoEXT. Or you can buy just the attachment device. But I suggest that you spring for the whole thing. He’s made his new base a bit larger as well.

He will sell me just the white plastic base ring & attachment device, which I can use with my PM? My PM has a base opening of about 1.6875”, is the AutoEXT’s opening larger than this? I may buy one, but I’m going to see what I can come up with, on my own, first. After buying the PM, I’m going to be more careful with any future purchases.

Originally Posted by motivated
But as I said, you will not experience force anywhere near the equivalent of hanging with 20 lbs. with this kind of ADS.

I guess that light force is all that is really needed with an ADS, anyway. The Wench can give a pretty intense pull as an ADS, but I guess it’s best to use the weight for a strong pull & just use the Wench as an ADS at light tension. In your opinion, how much time is required for the cells to divide & cause a permanent growth? I’ve heard here, that it’s about 8 hours, but I haven’t researched it. How long do you wear your ADS?

Originally Posted by motivated

I find the AutEXT quite comfortable, relatively speaking. But, then, I’m not packing your kind of girth (yet!). Yes, it’s fairly obvious that you are wearing the thing. Monkeybar is up front about this. It’s really designed to wear around the house. Though I think some people have worn it out in public.

I would like to find a way to do this, without it being obvious that something is attached to my cock, but that may be wishful thinking. My cock already shows quite a bit in my pants anyway, so it’s probably not possible to use any sort of ADS device, without it showing. I’ll put it this way, when I’m wearing my light blue Dungaree’s, which don’t fit that tight, you have no trouble telling that I’m circumcised. ;) This can be a great ice-breaker in a bar, though. It beats the old boxers or briefs discussion. Cut or uncut? :D

Originally Posted by motivated

I’m a bit concerned that you are wearing your Wench at night. Like any part of our anatomy, the penis needs a constant supply of fresh blood. The general rule recommended here is to wear any constricting device for no longer than 20 minutes and to rest at least 10 minutes before putting it on again. Wearing the Wench at night, even if you wake up every couple of hours, is asking for some serious trouble, in my opinion.

I use very light tension & I don’t tighten it down very much, but I see your point. When I get an erection, during the night, it usually wakes me up & I remove it. The circulation seems pretty good, but when I get a nighttime erection, it’s not as good, which is why it wakes me up. I’m re-thinking this approach.

Originally Posted by motivated

As you said, rest is also important for optimal growth. I don’t think that you are sacrificing anything by letting your Mr. Happy have nights off.

Mr. Happy? You mean that guys been lurking around in my house at night? I knew it! Oh, you mean my cock… :D But just remember, Mr. Happy, I’ve got my eye on you… The right one, I’m reserving the left one for my porno viewing pleasure. And, stay away from my stash! The woman lying next to me, you can have, just keep your hands off my stash! :rofl: Oh…BTW, try to bang her quietly, I need my beauty sleep & I’m a light sleeper.

Originally Posted by motivated

Work him good during the day, when you can keep an eye on him.

So he’s there during the day too… Hmmmm… So, that explains the missing Fritos corn chips & Pepsi One’s, doesn’t it Mr. Happy? And where’s my bean dip? It just never stops with you, does it Mr. Happy? First, my snacks, then my women… I suppose next you’ll be banging my sister, Oh God, don’t tell me your name is Mike… Oh, I’m keeping an eye on him alright… ;)

Originally Posted by motivated

Perhaps take one or two days off during the week. But definitely keep him free of all constricting devices while you sleep. You don’t want to get that extra inch or two only to find that you can no longer use the thing! Anyhow, this is just a friendly warning.

I’ve been more careful about taking rest days, this time around. I’ll try not to constrict my cock too much at night, but if I catch Mr. Happy raiding my fridge, I might not can say the same for his neck… ;) And remember, Mr. Happy, corn chips & bean dip will wreck havoc on that .25” pubic fat pad of yours… Might I suggest tuna on whole wheat crackers… I think there’s still some of that in the cupboard…


Last edited by thickone2004 : 08-09-2005 at . Reason: spelling error...

Thickone,

The AutoEXT consists of three components: the attachment device, the base ring, and the threaded metal rods used to attach the base ring to the attachment device. Monkeybar will sell either the attachment device on its own, to be used with a PM, etc., or he will sell all three components together. I don’t think that you can buy just the base ring. Nor do I think that you’d want to; it probably wouldn’t work with other PM parts. If you are going to get it, I’d spring for the whole thing.

As for how long it takes for cells to divide to cause permanent growth, I haven’t got a clue. Biology is not my thing. I’d do a search here. Or I’d start a new thread asking this question.

Now you go easy on Mr. Happy there. He’s a nice guy. Let him have some food and a gal or two. That’s really not asking for much, is it?

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