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Are there any length hard gainers that found the way out

I’ll sell you a set of weights but you have to promise not to wear them at night. You thought you had a problem with PM, you don’t want to make that mistake with PEWeights. They may not press on the same lymph vessel but I guarantee that you won’t be able to get my rings off easily if your whole dick swells. These things will act as a multi layered cock ring that you’ll have to cut off to get circulation again. I don’t even want to think about it.


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Originally Posted by stanby
I think PE is achieved by moderate sustained traction over time which facilitates cellular growth through the normal cell death and regeneration cycle.
If it were me, I`d stop for 6 to 12 weeks for healing to be complete and then start again on a very moderate newbie routine emphasising gentle jelqs to get blood into the tissues and then moderate stretching (ie jelq/ stretch rather than the usual stretch/jelq)

I followed a moderate stretching and jelqing routine consistently for many months with NO gain in length, not even a fraction of an inch. What you say about micro tears and all may be correct. But the honest truth is, no one here really knows. We simply don’t understand the science of PE. We just know that some things work for some men but not for others. You are probably someone for whom length gains are relatively easy. So moderate stretching and jelqing does it for you. This won’t necessarily work for others, micro tears or no micro tears aside.

I gained my first and only 0.25” in length from hanging. When I have the time and privacy (if ever!) to return to hanging, I hope to get some more length. I’ve tried everything else—stretching, jelqing, clamping and pumping for length, and wearing an ADS—but I’ve had no additional length gain.

Juri, your question is a good one. I’m certainly eager to know what has worked for other hard length gainers. Have you tried hanging focused on the tunica instead of the ligs?

I’m definitely one of those hard gainers…I’m coming up on two years here and have had enough time to try most everything here. I’m no longer into daily PE but I did spend a lot of time hanging, pumping and jelqing. I injured myself at least three times and changed my routine after each injury. I know there are more of you out there like me. Maybe we have something in common…Post a message here and lets find out…There are just too many people here getting gains - not fair. There IS a way out of this….


Start 030104 EBPL: 6.25" EG : 5.6" Mid LOT : 7:30 GOAL: 0.25 in any direction...."I'm not picky"- length would be nice "GIVE ME A %&#'N INCH OR GIVE ME DEATH"

I’m in the same camp with Stanby. I suggest you hang so that you feel the tissues stretch—much the same way you might feel your hamstrings stretch when you do stretching exercises before jogging. Try to maintain that feeling for a period of time, and come back to it as often as you can.

I also think that using a great deal of force (weight) can be counterproductive. It can trigger an inflammatory response that may inhibit growth. Don’t try to make yourself sore; just try make yourself feel stretched.

I also think it’s wise to throw in some jelqing. Lots of guys have BPFSL’s that run way ahead of their BPEL’s. I think this may be because the sinusoids within the CCs don’t always grow when we hang, even when our stretched length grows. Those cavities need to be expanded to fill the newly created space. I think that jelqing and other traditional “girth” exercises may help to do this.

You also might try doing manual stretches with a slight erection. Stretch only in the direction of your erection (10 o’clock or so). Don’t try this with a hanger and don’t try stretching your ligs with way. The idea is to elongate the sinusoids within the CCs as they fill with blood. I think this might be especially helpful for guys whose BPFSL’s are way ahead of their BPEL’s.


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Hard gainer in length right here. The only 0.25’ in I know I got from PE that was recorded, was from a pure stretching routine for 4 months 45 mins a day. Right now I’m using a mix jelq+stretch combo+ADS, but for 3 months I haven’t seen anything and I’ve been mixing it up. I’m thinking either 1) I’m not hitting it enough, or 2) Time to move to tunicatown. I’ll try a shock routine for December and see if I can break through, if not I’ll have to seriously look at girth or my angle of attack. I’m thinking maybe the traction wrap I used to wear after PE to bed made the difference as it’s the only thing missing right now.


Progress Tracking As of 01/01/05 : 6.5 BPEL x 5.25 G As of 04/08/05 : 6.75 BPEL x 5.25 G Short Term Goal : 7 BPEL Long Term Goal : When a trip to china and getting on the great wall means hopping on my member

Originally Posted by motivated
Juri, your question is a good one. I’m certainly eager to know what has worked for other hard length gainers. Have you tried hanging focused on the tunica instead of the ligs?

Yes, motivated, I did hang for tunica and I am pretty sure I will gain through hanging (very slowly though) if I didn’t have a foreskin, that gets irritated pretty much if I hang for more than 15 min in a set, and even if I do more than 4 sets of 10 min each. You can see my odyssey/confusion with foreskin in my threat How long before resuming PE after adult circumcision

Thanks for your reply! I want to keep this threat alive till other hard gainers see it and probably give valuable impute!

Originally Posted by Monty530
I’ll sell you a set of weights but you have to promise not to wear them at night. You thought you had a problem with PM, you don’t want to make that mistake with PEWeights. They may not press on the same lymph vessel but I guarantee that you won’t be able to get my rings off easily if your whole dick swells. These things will act as a multi layered cock ring that you’ll have to cut off to get circulation again. I don’t even want to think about it.

Hi, Monty530!

Thanks for the offer! I would like to try your weights. I am not sure what size I should by though and how many of them. By the way I send you question on your Web site yesterday and I am waiting for your reply.

Regarding the lymph vessel – it does not get easily irritated and only if the pressure is put deep at the base of my penis, something that only PeniMaster base-ring did an no other PE activity. So I think there would be no problem with the weights.
The only think is I am not sure how your PE weights are applied and how they would stay on my dick?

Originally Posted by Russell4
I’m definitely one of those hard gainers…I’m coming up on two years here and have had enough time to try most everything here. I’m no longer into daily PE but I did spend a lot of time hanging, pumping and jelqing. I injured myself at least three times and changed my routine after each injury. I know there are more of you out there like me. Maybe we have something in common…Post a message here and lets find out…There are just too many people here getting gains - not fair. There IS a way out of this….

Oh, my fellow Russell4! Look at your LOT 7:30, I think the damn LOT theory is right! I wish so much it was wrong. My LOT is 6:00-6:30 no easy length gains for us (i.e. no ligaments gains), just tunica IF we find the right way to do it that according to Bib will grow with 0.4 inches per year if one hangs diligently! Pretty discouraging especially when I am ready to do hanging diligently, but my foreskin stays in the way!

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I’m in the same camp with Stanby. I suggest you hang so that you feel the tissues stretch—much the same way you might feel your hamstrings stretch when you do stretching exercises before jogging. Try to maintain that feeling for a period of time, and come back to it as often as you can.

I also think that using a great deal of force (weight) can be counterproductive. It can trigger an inflammatory response that may inhibit growth. Don’t try to make yourself sore; just try make yourself feel stretched.

I also think it’s wise to throw in some jelqing. Lots of guys have BPFSL’s that run way ahead of their BPEL’s. I think this may be because the sinusoids within the CCs don’t always grow when we hang, even when our stretched length grows. Those cavities need to be expanded to fill the newly created space. I think that jelqing and other traditional “girth” exercises may help to do this.

You also might try doing manual stretches with a slight erection. Stretch only in the direction of your erection (10 o’clock or so). Don’t try this with a hanger and don’t try stretching your ligs with way. The idea is to elongate the sinusoids within the CCs as they fill with blood. I think this might be especially helpful for guys whose BPFSL’s are way ahead of their BPEL’s.


Good post ModestoMan!

I the thing you speak about make sense. The problem is that the good stretch (with the Bib hanger) is the one with 13+ lb weights, anything below that doesn’t feel like a good one, probably I am mistaken. The main problem is that I would need many months of doing the same routine you suggest in order to see if it works or not, because I don’t have potential for quick gains - lig growth. I know it not just form my LOT, but also through palpating.

Originally Posted by Juri
Yes, motivated, I did hang for tunica and I am pretty sure I will gain through hanging (very slowly though) if I didn’t have a foreskin, that gets irritated pretty much if I hang for more than 15 min in a set, and even if I do more than 4 sets of 10 min each.

Initially, I had a different problem with hanging. I got nerve damage from the Bib hanger. But I now know it was from having the hanger attached too tightly, particularly in the front, near the nerve bundle. I played around with how I attach the hanger, and I now have the hanger set wider in the front than in the back. I think this is called “toe in,” but I’m not certain. In other words, I don’t attach the hanger very tightly at all near the glans and the nerve bundle. However, it is still attached tightly enough on the end that is closer to the base of my penis. Perhaps something like this will help you. If you experiment with the method of attachment, you might find a setting that does not cause your foreskin as much discomfort. It’s worth a try. Even though I’ve had no luck with length doing other things than hanging, I’m convinced that once I have the time and privacy to return to hanging, I’ll see further length gains. Hanging is the royal road to length gains. No doubt about that. Best of luck.

Originally Posted by Juri

The main problem is that I would need many months of doing the same routine you suggest in order to see if it works or not, because I don’t have potential for quick gains - lig growth. I know it not just form my LOT, but also through palpating.

Think long term, Juri. I’ve been at this for a year and a half. Within the last couple of months I clocked another 1/4” BPEL gain. That brings the total up to 0.75”. Slow and steady works (not that I wouldn’t pounce on something that worked fast—I just haven’t found it).

Please don’t psyche yourself out over your LOT. IMO, LOT is one of the least reliable predictors of gains.


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Not much to add. Time under tension has been the principle criteria in the design of my length training. Nothing fancy, I get up early and git er’ done (1.5-2 hrs/day of hanging). I include use of an ADS (~8hrs/day) after higher tension work to support the stretching done in the higher tension work and periods of rest (~14hrs/day) between ADS work and the following day’s higher tension work. Strategic use of deconditioning breaks (4-6 weeks) between gains campaigns (~6-10 weeks) works well for me. But the use of these is predicated on having made gains. Until that happens (talking post-newbie gains here), I recommend seeking to maximize time under tension, which may mean lowering weight, and, if you can, use of an ADS for at least an hour after your higher tension work. Not only is there no free lunch, lunch is really expensive (in terms of time).

Don’t worry about LOT, find the angle that is most conducive to time under tension and git er’ done.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

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Thanks a lot xenolith and ModestoMan!

You are giving me hope guys!

Originally Posted by Juri
Hi, wadzilla!

WOW wonderful job – from 6 to 8 inches!!!
Could you tell me the routine that worked best fro you and if possible you LOT when you started and now!

When I began PE (Aug 2002), I didn’t know about LOT, so I don’t have a clue. My LOT has varied however - confirming somebody’s thread here that LOT can change (I think that was Bib’s idea, not sure).

Like most guys, my best gains came as a newbie - I don’t think it was specifically because of the workouts I did then - just newbie gains. But later, I restarted my length gains by stretching 7 days per week. I started at about 10 minutes actual stretch times (TUL - Time Under Load). And pushed those times up to nearly an hour at times, but usually 45-50 minutes, 7x per week. I did a lot of intense, dual-fulcrum stretches. We all have different Time threshholds. Start low, and when the gains kick in, you’ve found yours. You also have to progressively increase those times - maybe 1-2 minutes per 7-10 days or so. Keep upping the load.

Unlike impaction exercises (jelqs, ulis, 440’s, etc.), I think you can stretch and stretch - the more the better. But don’t jump right into a 1-hour workout, that’s counterproductive.

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