Will ADS Be Detrimental To Girth Gains ?

I am currently doing an extreme clamping routine with a little pumping thrown in. My question is, if someone is doing only girth work, will wearing an all day stretcher hinder girth gains ? Will it keep it extended in the wrong way all day ?

Many people report gaining length from a girth focussed routine and gaining girth from a length focussed routine. PE often works well when mixing things that target length and things that target girth. Whether ADS will help or not is another question. The basis of ADS or normal extender usage in combination with other elements is to keep the penis in an extended state for longer. The basis of this, as far as I can tell from the history of PE goes back to the theory of micro-tears, where a period in ADS after a session would allow micro-tears to fill in and heal in the larger state. I’m not sure that this is an accurate representation of what actually happens. If it’s not then maybe rest between sessions is more effective than ADS. We do know that rest in some forms is important to growth but it’s potentially harder to believe that less might actually be more.

I hope that doesn’t muddy the water in your thoughts on this.

I’m worried that after micro-tears from clamping accur, you would want them to fill in going in the direction that your expanding the tissue, which is going outward from the inside. While you are stretched out long ways with an ads, those potential gains might solidify in the direction resulting in no girth.

Micro-tears is a great postulation. It sounds fabulous. Whether it’s reality or not is another thing. Basing your routine on extrapolated inferences taken from a postulation is potentially not a good plan. What if the original postulation is wrong? What if the postulation is correct but the extrapolation from that point that leads to ADS is wrong?

That’s exactly what we are discussing here. Without scientific proof, which is very limited, we are all here at thunders basing our routines on extrapolated inferences taken from a postulation. We are all in our little laboratories trying to make sense of it all. Discussions like these pave the way for best practice.

There are at least two ways to go: build on previous examples of routines that have worked or try to fill in the gaps in our knowledge with made up stuff. I’m suggesting the former is better than the latter. One infers from things we know to be true (or at least have multiple attestations to their veracity) the other infers from things we do not know to be true (but sounds more sciencey, so people buy it).

It’s been a while since I’ve looked at it but if I remember correctly micro-tears come from research into how muscles are developed, which doesn’t seem particularly appropriate to PE.

Whether it’s micro-tears , cell division/multiplication, etc is not relevant. I’m asking a specific question that I have not seen asked anywhere. I’m sure somebody has, but I have searched a good bit. Would anybody else care to provide their opinion ?

Don’t get me wrong, I do understand where you’re coming from.

For what its worth in the 5 or so years I’ve been reading round all the various forums I haven’t seen an example of anyone loosing girth through length work.
I did a lot of research specifically on extenders as it was a concern I had, couldn’t find anything in fact a small number of users reported gaining girth.

I certainly didn’t loose any in the few months I extended for but then I didn’t gain anything either.

Let me give you guys a little more info on my routine and theory.

I am at 7.5 BPEL x 5.125 MSG. I have been clamping 4 sets of 17 minutes and 1 set of pumping while clamped to near max expansion with a few pretty tight cock rings for 20 minutes. I have been doing this for a little over a month now. I was 5 MSG. No set rest days. I just take a rest day when I feel the need to.

I just ordered the autoxsleeve kit. But I do not plan on using it to gain length. I will use the lightest sleeve and weight to prevent turtling and promote flaccid growth comparable to my post workout flaccid.

After you reach max expansion, wouldn’t you want the expanded tissue to stay that way as long as possible ? The ads will compact it inward to keep it from retracting, holding it in place stretched. So, it might heal in that constricted state is all I’m saying. I hope I’m wrong.

I understand your logic here I just haven’t seen anyone report it.
Here’s a question to consider, for years pumpers have used straps or cockrings to maintain an engorgement after a session yet have you ever seen or heard of someone developing a thinner spot on their penis from healing where the constriction was ?
I haven’t, doesn’t prove anything but interesting to think about.

It won’t reduce girth but whether or not it will hinder potential girth gains at some extent, I don’t know.

To be sure you could use the ADS first abd then by the end of the day pump / clamp or whatever to work on girth. That’s in fact what I originally planned to do when I got my extender.

To be sure you could use the ADS first abd then by the end of the day pump / clamp or whatever to work on girth. That’s in fact what I originally planned to do when I got my extender.

That is a good point. I have been considering different schedules that would minimize the possible negative effects. The one I am thinking will stick is wearing the ads from sunrise to around 5pm then clamping/pumping right after i take it off then wearing a very very loose cock ring for the remainder of the evening.