No Such thing as Growers and Showers

I think ultimately what makes a shower, Aside from flaccid erect ratios, and length cutoffs, is the effect it has on the viewer.

Take a penis with 5” flaccid. Thats a decent noodle right? Seen from lets just a few feet away, say in an accidental walk in situation:

On a thin, low body fat , small framed guy he might get girls jaws dropping: “its like a third leg/ im scared”

On a burly big dude with muscular thighs might not get his flaccid fawned over because it doesn’t have that “popping” effect of contrast (This is the illusion of being smaller) “I only realized how big he was when I tried to give him a blowjob!” Now say muscle bro, goes on a bulk and accidentally forgets to lift and puts on 25lbs of fat. His 5 becomes 4.25, his body gets even more burly and his visual problems are compounded. (This is the body fat component)

I’m definitely a believer that PE increases flaccid hang, or in my case flaccid poke (face palm). But I think the 80/20 of flaccid size is being in leaner/ better shape (read: less fat pad/ more blood flow). Not that I would sacrifice my genetic buffalo muscle gift for that silly wow effect, but I would and am ridding myself of all this fat.

It doesn’t matter if a guy has a 7” flaccid he is still considered a “grower” by definition if his erect length is 11” because that would be a 4 inch increase. Having a certain sized flaccid doesn’t make you a shower it is the ratio compared to your own erect length. A shower has a flaccid length very close to his erect length commonly as close as an inch difference. It seems like your definition of shower is different from what is around here.

Always called a “shower” someone whose flaccid state is showing the erect size. True showers seem rare, most people are in the 60-80% range. I would personally call growers and showers those who don’t fall in that intermediate category. I think the position of testicles have a big impact on how much of a grower one becomes. Testicles that hang high and forward keep the penis horizontal and retracted.

I somewhat agree with your theory. First we need to determine the definitions of “growers” and “show-ers”. You can say ratio from flaccid to erect is a certain percentage increase, but my definition is pretty standard (and by no means correct), but I’d say any guy with 5.5”+ flaccid is a shower, even if he does “grow” to 11” erect (grower AND show-er). Based on averages of erect length, if flaccid is around average erect length, that’s a show-er to me. But then you could also have a guy who hangs 3” flaccid and only grows to 4.5” erect, so would not be a grower OR a show-er?

To make another point though, I’m sure there are plenty of men that identify as growers that have a larger fat pad and overweight. Losing weight and the fat pad will no doubt allow the penis to hang and appear larger. However, coming from a guy that’s NEVER been over 12% body fat and considered “overweight” based on BMI, I’m no “show-er”. My fat pad is between .25-.5” but flaccid hang on average is around 4-4.5”. I’m shorter and smaller framed, with larger legs.

Everyone will have a different perspective on this as it deals with facts and/or perception. Sure a guy who’s 6’4” and 280 who’s flaccid is 6”x5” will appear smaller than a guy who is 5”8” 150 with same measurements, but that’s still a big one in my mind.

I believe losing weight does help with flaccid appearance. Less fat pad lets more hang out, lower weight allows better blood flow, and I think confidence also helps to a degree.

It looks like once you start taking thigh sizes into account the concept gets muddy. I mean a proportional size change sounds good, except when you have crazy proportions to both flaccid and erect and yet and still common in porn, the cuckold and humiliation stuff features guys with nubs that grow several times their original size.

But you play with flat numbers, then most of the men here at Thunders are showers whether they think so or not.

Fluidity of the definition will keep your theory from bearing fruit, as everyone can’t agree for you to have the opportunity to gather data in favor of your hypothesis.

This is old thread, but I just saw it and had to comment.

I am a gay man in a relationship. We are pretty much the same build, 180 cm and 75-80 kg. We are pretty slim and active.

I am a total grower. My dick is 1-2” flaccid and 6” erect. My husband has at least 6” flaccid and 8+” erect.

Being gay and a couple we obviously have had a feel of each other’s dicks. And the feel is totally different. When flaccid, my dick is super soft and mushy. If I squeeze it, it deflates completely and I can easily push it in to my body. When it fills with blood it is rock hard and almost impossible to bend. Erection angle is very high.

My husband’s cock is different. When flaccid, it is very meaty and spongy and heavy. When squeezed it doesn’t deflate at all. When it is erect, it’s pretty much the same but only bigger and heavier. Erection angle is quite low.

It is definitely not just about blood flow. It is the construction that is very different between our dicks. Growers and showers definitely exist!

If you don’t believe me you can always have your own research and go and feel other guys’ dicks. Remember consent!

From what I’ve seen back at school days, when we showered all in one giant bathroom room, and made wanking tournaments and all that stupid stuff younglings do, what I remember is that all those growers were pointing upwards while the showers were all pointing downwards (lower angle and bent downwards mostly). Except for one guy who was gigant and had it straight outwards. Prolly 10 to 11 inch and around 2+ from side to side.

I think growers “retract” (i.e. turtle) considerably more, not just the degree of difference between flaccid-vs-erect.

I believe this because I know men who seek our different therapies just to combat said-retraction:
(1) Filler work: Hyaluronic Acid (HA) and PMMA, even in modest volumes can help inhibit some retraction, made me a semi-show-er at times.
(2) Alpha blockers: Haven’t used them myself but have had men report it helps with the turtling.
(3) Botox: Haven’t used this either but in principle I can see how it would have a positive (but temporary) effect, although I hear more about its use for scrotum hang in general.

So I would say grower/show-ers do exist, because I know as many growers who seek the aforementioned treatments as I do of show-ers who have no need for them.
That and gym lockers tell me all I need to know :D

I’m an irredeemable grower.

We exist.

Yeah, no. Growers are very real, or at least it is not just about BMI or body fat. I am an extremely slender person, 6 feet tall, never above 150lbs. 6-7” erect, often like 2” flaccid. But if I take some of those gas station boner pills my flaccid hang is significantly increased, so I don’t doubt that it’s a variable in accordance with other physiological traits.