No Such thing as Growers and Showers

I’m what some call a ‘grower’, that is my penis gets surprisingly large when erect compared to its flaccid state. Poking around here and looking at lots of dick pics I’m starting to see a pattern…Also things I’m learning about health and fitness in general.

I present this idea, half baked, with no double blind research backed evidence…here it goes:

There is no such thing as a Grower or a Shower.

There are men.
There are penises.
There are body fat percentages.
There are proportions.
There are varying degrees of blood flow.
There are illusions.

I am prepared to believe that a shower, a person who has a big flaccid, tends to have more often than not, lower body fat, better blood flow, and proportions that make it look big.

I first started thinking about this when I was reading through the Spanish progress reports on this site. There was a member who had enviable length and girth, truly, but a flaccid that was completely retracted into his body. This gentleman’s main purpose for being here was to increase flaccid length so that he could have more confidence. The thread went on for ages. Reading through it there were all sorts of efforts that were made but it seemed to be a uphill battle with temporary flaccid length achieved at best. This man had a large fat pad that swallowed up his flaccid. Not a word was spoken about REDUCING BODY FAT.

Then I look at my own experience. I have been overweight my entire life. My flaccid has always been a point of shame for me. Recently I lost about 15 lbs. I’m still overweight, but my flaccid seems to have improved a bit. I can only imagine that when I reach 10% body fat this year, that my penis will look amazing. With Nowhere to hide, it will be all out in the open. With better circulation all over my body, it will be more plump and full looking. With a more ideal hormone panel. More T, Less coritsol (stress), etc. more blood will regularly hang out down there because the WHOLE SYSTEM is more confident. Furthermore, the proportions will present well. I tend to store fat pretty evenly over my whole body. I sport a big fat torso, Ham thighs, and a awesome fat pad that make me feel great. When these are gone, and I am truly lean and all thats left is muscle, My unit will surly have no place to hide. I’ll be sure to document this in my progress report.

I believe if a person has the same measurement for both stances, flaccid and erect, could be called a shower. Also could apply to those rare cases when the person has the flaccid bigger when compared to the erect state.

I agree, but those cases are extremely rare and not the norm. If they do exist we could say that he is a true ‘Shower’ and all other members in the population (99.999%) are growers: people whos penis is larger when erect than when flaccid.

What I’m trying to poke around with is the idea that some of us spend lots of time hoping to achieve ‘flaccid gains’ through all sorts of efforts or as a byproduct of PE, when the most effective thing to do do bring ourselves to that “Shower” state is to truly get rid of most of the extra body fat that we carry.

Nicely said I agree.

I dunno..

I use to be a grower. I’m thin / tall, skinny legs/arms. After a few weeks of PE my flaccid went from about 1” to 4”. It was pretty noticeable, not just by me but also by the wife. Now it tends anywhere from 4”-5.5” (NBP) with a full erect being about 6.5 NBP.

I agree that improved blood flow is probably the biggest contributor but also just being more pliable / malleable due to PE should be considered. If I have a 4” flaccid, a few tugs and I can easily get it to 5” or 5.5”. This did not use to be possible (I have specific knowledge that this is true, for me anyway). I would still consider myself a grower though because the difference between flaccid and fully erect is still quite significant, but what APPEARS to be happening, is I’m turning slowly into a shower and the difference between flaccid and erect is diminishing over time. Could be wrong though, only been doing PE for less than a year still.

My 2cp.

There are many men with low bodyfat who are growers. I am one and even when I was skinny (I’m not at all fat now with an unflexed visible 6 pack in good lighting.) I was always a grower. It is a genetic thing to be a grower or a shower bodyfat doesn’t matter. When you lose fat your flaccid AND erect NBP length should gain about the same amount of extra visibility evening it out.

I agree with Rahman. Until I hit middle age, I was always fit and on the thin size and sported a 2” flaccid on good days. On bad days, it would be almost fully retracted. Today after seven years of PE, I am somewhat over weight with a one inch fat pad. My nbp flaccid can be up to 3” on a good day but can also be retracted into my fat pad on many days.

I can assure you that I will never be considered a shower no matter how hard I work on it. It is all in the genes.

My show has increased owing to improved bloodflow. Little or no change in body fat — I measured at about 12% BF last spring — it’s just a matter of being a bit more erect all the time. The blood just hangs out there. Mostly this is from girth exercises, not the stretches.

Plus, I jog a hell of a lot more than I had been earlier last year. Good cardio has been shown to improve bloodflow, and thus flaccid.

So bloodflow + fat pad = flaccid. That should be just about all there is to it, seeing as some guys who have been PE’ing for a while have almost erect-length flaccids. It’s not the ligament. It’s the bloodflow and the fat pad.

- Saul

My experience is that PE has made my flaccid much larger in relation to erect length. When I started extending flaccid gains came first =. Also pumping later on further increased my flaccid. Given that flaccid size is variable depending on many factors including on how I feel, temperature etc.

I wonder the real percentage of real showers are? (Same size, flaccid or hard)

Most so called showers are just big

I can say I have more body fat now than I did starting PE 7 years ago (though not by a lot) and that my grower to shower transformation was slow but sure.

That being said…I think there’s not only something to the genetics portion of the idea…but the bloodflow increases and start points that we all uniquely start at and generate with our results. I just do not think your theory bears fruit in enough different scenario types to say it’s strictly a bodyweight problem. And this…from a guy who had a little flaccid and normal erection (mostly) when he started.

If you have a 5” flaccid and 9bpel you are a grower even with a decent flaccid.

Agreed. Even if the same person has a 6” flaccid. That would still be 3” of length difference. A true shower only have about 1.5” or less difference between flaccid and erect. Some may literally have .5” difference.

Well…in that case, what’s the hard definition of where a “shower” and “grower” sit in numbers related to their erect and flaccid sizes? I mean I can get 7” on a good day and almost never below 6” but…the question becomes how are we rating the two?