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Originally Posted by 77
The Hubbard site Measure Your Penis - 2001 Site - Tom Hubbard is part of the problem, and this thread muddies the water, too (e.g., vertical instead of horizontal). Someone with more time and knowledge than I should write a measurement article that prescribes a standard method. Problems with the Hubbard page:
- “Standing or lying down” - having your heart higher than your penis will aid in erection strength. Also, there are a zillion ways to lie down and quite a few ways to stand.
- Pictures do not show measuring to the pubic bone, which is above the penis, not beside it. Measuring beside the penis will depend way more on placement of the base of the ruler than measuring to the pubis not to mention the position of the leg and the side to side position of the penis.
- The site does not address whether the many guys with slight arcs to their erect penis should straighten that arc against the ruler or not.
- “Mid-shaft” should be defined. Most folks will tend to measure at that point along their shaft that is meatiest, and this has been written elsewhere, and then maybe at the base. Is mid-shaft half of the erect length including the meatus or just half the shaft?
- Using a string versus a cloth ruler for circumference will give a different result due to string stretch, the thickness of the cloth ruler and the width of the ruler.
- “Dead stretch” says to hold behind the head but the drawing shows holding the rear part of the head, and many folks will tend to hold even further toward the tip because the result will be a bigger number. Also, the odd statement about learning to match erect length: what gives?

-77


Good points, 77, worth noting for a future rewrite of the page.

For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Originally Posted by 77
Also, the odd statement about learning to match erect length: what gives?


What gives?

I’d say that there is no one who has the market cornered on odd statements when it comes to PE. I appreciate that you feel the need for clarity, but your post comes across a tad self-righteous, at least to me.

We’re just measuring, it’s not rocket science.

The basic premise of a bone pressed measurement is a ruler grounded against the pubic bone lined up roughly on the center of the erection. Whether you measure with the numbers vertically (the Shunga is doing his thread), or horizontally really makes very little difference.

With BPFSL if you grab from the back of the glans or the tip of the glans is up to you. If guys with a curve want to bend the erection to conform to the ruler, or if they choose to use measuring tape (blah, blah, blah); it’s up to them.

With any of these things what is important is to make sure they are done the same way each time; that consistency will be a huge help in determining progress.

Anyone who ‘fudges’ the numbers with his measuring technique is fooling no one, least of all himself. What does it matter? Answer: it doesn’t.

You know? :cool:

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Last edited by Mr. Happy : 02-07-2008 at .

Originally Posted by Lampwick
Soyconyo:

Rephrased, you are saying “The gains are usually false. Here are three reasons why.”

For me to pay any attention to your “reasons”, you need to convince me first that your basic premise, that “the gains are usually false”, is sound.

Actually, you’ve gotten this quite jumbled. The statement ‘the gains are usually false’ is the conclusion of his argument. The three reasons why would be the premises which support that conclusion.

As far as the need to convince you to read and assess his argument - I don’t believe he needs to give one. Your interest in responding to the conclusion creates an obligation to first understand the argument. To understand the argument, you must attempt to view the argument in the most charitable manner.

Originally Posted by newjaytdot
Actually, you’ve gotten this quite jumbled. The statement ‘the gains are usually false’ is the conclusion of his argument. The three reasons why would be the premises which support that conclusion.

As far as the need to convince you to read and assess his argument - I don’t believe he needs to give one. Your interest in responding to the conclusion creates an obligation to first understand the argument. To understand the argument, you must attempt to view the argument in the most charitable manner.


From Wikipedia: Premise_(argument)

You are correct, sir. I said "premise" when I should have said "conclusion." Quite jumbled, indeed.

The claim that ‘the gains that newbies reports are usually false’ is a conclusion. The three reasons he gives are the premises.

However, his three premises give me no reason to believe that most reports of gains by newbies are false. A+B+C does not equal D. The sum of A or B or C does not add up to D.

And no, I am not under any obligation to view his argument in the most charitable manner. It’s his job to prove his conclusion through solid premises. I find the premises shaky, and the conclusion unconvincing based on his premises.

For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Last edited by Lampwick : 02-08-2008 at .

Well I’m not a newbie exactly but I’m still not sure if I should measure with the ruler beside my dick or from above,Lol.

Also I have noticed that it’s a little bit shorter if I measure,(with the ruler above),while laying on my back with it pointing straight up then measuring while sitting up with it straight out….

regards, mgus

Taped onto the dashboard of a car at a junkyard, I once found the following: "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." The car was crashed.

Primary goal: To have an EQ above average (i.e. streetsmart, compassionate about life and happy) Secondary goal: to make an anagram of my signature denoting how I feel about my gains

I wrote
>> .[T]he odd statement about learning to match erect length: what gives?

Mr. Happy replied
> What gives?

> I’d say that there is no one who has the market cornered on odd statements
> When it comes to PE. I appreciate that you feel the need for clarity, but your
> Post comes across a tad self-righteous, at least to me.

I’m not going to get into a pissing contest about this, sorry if my tone offended, but is there an answer?

> The basic premise of a bone pressed measurement is a ruler
> Grounded against the pubic bone lined up roughly on the center
> Of the erection. Whether you measure with the numbers vertically
> (The Shunga is doing his thread), or horizontally really makes
> Very little difference.

I offered no opinion on this. Later comments in this thread and elsewhere include reasons why vertical may be better.

> With BPFSL if you grab from the back of the glans or the tip of
> The glans is up to you. If guys with a curve want to bend the
> Erection to conform to the ruler, or if they choose to use
> Measuring tape (blah, blah, blah); it’s up to them.

> With any of these things what is important is to make sure
> They are done the same way each time; that consistency
> Will be a huge help in determining progress.

No argument about self-consistency being the important thing. I mean, we’re not crossing swords on this site, just trying to grow our own; the comparison that matters is to our past selves. But since early measurements end up being important measurements, a little more standardization for newbies might be a good thing, in my opinion. I mean if I do my best but measure beside the penis because I happen to have looked at the Hubbard drawings, it’s going to be hard to compare that measurement later.

I have a great deal of respect for the early contributions like the article by Tom Hubbard, and his drawings are really good art, but if there are better ways to do things, and I think there are, then maybe it’s time for a revision.

> Anyone who ‘fudges’ the numbers with his measuring technique
> Is fooling no one, least of all himself. What does it matter? Answer: it doesn’t.

> You know?

I don’t know if my measurements are accurate,but I’m certainly happy with overall health of my member.

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
So 77, when can we expect your treatise on measuring? You found a place for potential improvement, so let’s see what you come up with. :)

BTW, I agree with you.


Indeed. It’s about time for someone to write the definitive treatise on measuring.

GM

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> So 77, when can we expect your treatise on measuring? You found a
> Place for potential improvement, so let’s see what you come up with.

Oh boy, I guess I volunteered myself. I would just make minor revision to Tom’s text, and could have that by Thursday, but I haven’t got a clue what to do about revised pictures showing the ruler on top. Any artists out there?

Perhaps we can work together, 77: I have a list of the most common issues re.: measuring, along with links to about 65
good measuring threads going back to 2001 or so. PM me if you want it.

GM

*ssssshhhhhhhhhhh*

I agree with firegoat see page 1

Restarting everything.

The real question is, who cares? The ultimate goal of penis enlargement is to make you feel better about your body, and if guys can do that through quantitative measurements, then more power to them! It’s pretty much agreed that PE is the result of months and years of exercises, so the first few months will be a mere blip in the grand scheme of things. I don’t see the point on raining on somebody’s parade for the sake of accuracy.

EDIT: I see some people have made the same points I’ve made. In response to 77, if a guy measures to the side rather than to the front, it really doesn’t matter *as long as* he stays consistent. That being said, side measurements tend to be the largest, so if a guy starts with the side, chances are he’s not going to jump to the smaller measurement.

Last edited by lamptime : 02-10-2008 at .
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