Newbie gains a reality No.

I’m not 100% convinced that newbies really gain as much as I’ve seen here. I think a lot of guys are simply new to measuring themselves. Here are 3 reasons why the gains are usually false.

1. Newbies are not good judges of erection strength.
For example, there is a large difference in length of my erections. When I am at a 10 strength, I am longer than when at a 7. If you are not consistently measuring yourself at the same erection strength (on 1 to 10 scale), you will not get reliable results. As you do more kegel-ing and stretching, you get a better sense of hard erections, and may even try to artificially push it to get a good measurement.

2. Newbies are bad at measuring.
Measuring from the fat pad when the penis is pointing up will give you a small size then pushing your penis down at a more vertical angle.

3. Newbies want their hard work to pay off.
They (we) are not objective and are optimistic about the growth.

What do you think?

I know how to use a ruler.

I think I should reword item 2:

2. Newbies lack consistency when measuring.
For example, measuring from the fat pad when the penis is pointing up will give you a smaller size then pushing your penis down at a more vertical angle.

I don’t doubt folks can use a ruler. The problem is that subtle differences in penis angle can add or subtract at least 1/2”.

Soyconyo:

Rephrased, you are saying “The gains are usually false. Here are three reasons why.”

For me to pay any attention to your “reasons”, you need to convince me first that your basic premise, that “the gains are usually false”, is sound.

So, where’s your proof?

Oh, and are you aware of the page on this site about measuring?
Measure Your Penis - 2001 Site - Tom Hubbard

Usually when I measure I don’t go ‘okay last time I did a 45 degree angle down, this time let’s try going up!
I’m pretty sure guys want to see really how much it is working and measure as accurately as possible.

Being upset you aren’t gaining is one thing, making stupid excuses is another.

Pretty much

I agree that most guys probably get “better” at measuring over time. I think it’s best to play around for a while “practicing” measuring one’s dick to find an absolutely maximal measurement before beginning PE in order to better track one’s gains over time. Erection angle, angle of the hips, etc. can make a big difference.

I have done what para-goomba says. Before I started I measured in different circumstances, with a ruler, tape… sitting, standing… erect, bone pressed, flaccid stretching…

At one point I took my first measurement and started my stats in this page. I always measure as hard as possible and sitting down. I find that girth measurements vary slightly depending on the erection and before or after PE. Length varies only depending on pressure against pubic bone and sitting or standing position.

I am a newbie and I believe I am being very consistent with my measurements

I like to be on top when I’m having sex so I measure with a downward angle.

I think the initial gains are more since erection level improves for lots of guys.

I agree there is a degree of error with measuring, that is why I find it hard guys say i have gained 1/8” etc, that could just be a margin of error.

However, I have seen 1” in 4 months, that is way beyond any possible degree of error.

It makes sense under all physiology that you will see quickest gains when you first start a process, you are conditioning parts never exposed to such stresses before.

You could re-word item 2 to ‘a more horizontal angle’.

It really doesn’t matter how you measure as long as you are consistent. I’m sure most guys when they first start get obsessed about measuring and quickly find how to get the largest possible measurement, even though it is advised to only measure once a month.

The most consistent method is to measure standing up, with the penis horizontal to the ground, bone pressing to the point of very slight discomfort, or just before that point. A wooden ruler with the end cut off to zero and taped for comfort is the best option. It doesn’t give the largest possible measurement, but it does give the most consistent results. If you are a natural obsessive, like me, you can press your lower back against a wall so it is flat, and note how far your feet are from the wall; this takes hip angle etc. out of the variables.

Sitting is usually unreliable as it is very easy to not be consistent with your hip angle, and the surface you are sitting on (soft/hard etc.) can make some difference too.

Very smart and easy method, firegoat! :up: That should be a standard tip for newbies learning to measure.

Well, I am very meticulous about measuring.

For example, I spent a month measuring several days a week to come up with my starting stats.

My measurements are done the same way every time, and I double, triple, quadruple check them each time I measure.

And I do not count a gain until I have seen it consistently for many days in a row.

So in my case your theory does not apply. I don’t think I am the only one.

The Hubbard site Measure Your Penis - 2001 Site - Tom Hubbard is part of the problem, and this thread muddies the water, too (e.g., vertical instead of horizontal). Someone with more time and knowledge than I should write a measurement article that prescribes a standard method. Problems with the Hubbard page:
- “Standing or lying down” - having your heart higher than your penis will aid in erection strength. Also, there are a zillion ways to lie down and quite a few ways to stand.
- Pictures do not show measuring to the pubic bone, which is above the penis, not beside it. Measuring beside the penis will depend way more on placement of the base of the ruler than measuring to the pubis not to mention the position of the leg and the side to side position of the penis.
- The site does not address whether the many guys with slight arcs to their erect penis should straighten that arc against the ruler or not.
- “Mid-shaft” should be defined. Most folks will tend to measure at that point along their shaft that is meatiest, and this has been written elsewhere, and then maybe at the base. Is mid-shaft half of the erect length including the meatus or just half the shaft?
- Using a string versus a cloth ruler for circumference will give a different result due to string stretch, the thickness of the cloth ruler and the width of the ruler.
- “Dead stretch” says to hold behind the head but the drawing shows holding the rear part of the head, and many folks will tend to hold even further toward the tip because the result will be a bigger number. Also, the odd statement about learning to match erect length: what gives?

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