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Introduction To PE

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Introduction To PE

Apologies for the length of this. Not expecting anyone to read it all because it has probably all been said. The first time I heard about jelqing was on 4chan around 2009. I probably did a bit of googling and immediately disregarded it because of injury, effort, and because I had no issues with my penis at all. I am only 18 and have had two sexual partners (long term). I had no issues at all pleasuring them and I’m very aware that if a girl had problems with my member, she wouldn’t be a match for me. More recently, I have become obsessed with it. Lurking around penis enlargement forums, googling all sorts of things about size that either reassure or destroy me, and measuring over and over. So first of all, I do realize this is a mental issue. I’m another victim of society. My mind is obsessive and toxic in nature, it is not the first time it has done things like this to me. Not long ago when I was 16 I was mortified that I hadn’t ever done anything with a girl. I began to get really obsessive about that and changing everything about myself. It actually worked. I’m a pretty depressed person who has taken anti-depressants in the past. Recently I had about a full year of happiness. This was mind-blowing for me. I had (and still have) a wonderful girlfriend, smoked lots of marijuana, and a best friend to distract me from my mind post paxil. Now I’m slipping into another void.

I started obsessively measuring a few months ago after sending the girlfriend a picture of my penis and noticing it did look pretty thin. I have never had issues with my penis size. It has been over 6 inches since I was a kid and always considered myself lucky. A normal measurement will get me to 6.3 inches. A good one will be 6.5. (Neither bone pressed). When I measured my girth though I was quite disappointed. A few months ago I was getting maybe 4.7 inches. Now more honestly I’m getting about 4.5 in the middle. It makes my heart sink every time. Girls put a lot of importance on girth and so having a thinner penis is sort of awful.

I am a thin human being, pretty short, no real muscle definition. And I’m not too horrified about any of it (just my toxic mindset can turn it into an issue). I enjoy being a bit different because my personality and is pretty charming and most girls are interested in what I say. It can be somewhat fun to win over girls without putting hours of effort into my body each week. In other words I’m a bit beyond average intelligence and consider myself more interesting than most people. ( I know that was probably annoying but at least be happy I have some self esteem).

My current girlfriend has told me that girth is important. I’m not sure if she realizes that my penis is a little thin, I doubt she can tell it isn’t average. She has only had sex with one other person. In the grand scheme of things, my real issue is premature ejaculation. I’ve always known I cum fast but I take a lot of care in not doing it around her. I will masturbate a few times before seeing her and smoking weed helps quite a bit. The only times I have cum quickly with her is when we wake up together and we go at it. I doubt she cares because usually our sex is 30-40 minutes and she probably feels like a champ making it happen.

So why do I care if she is happy with it. Well first of all we know we aren’t going to be together forever, we aren’t that naive. I know that younger inexperienced girls are less likely to hit the big dick lottery. It makes me feel horrible thinking (enter obsessive mind) that she will be fucked by bigger dicks that feel better. For instance when I thrust as deep as I can she loves it. But that is just it it is as deep as I can go. At a 4.5 inch girth I can imagine she will be filled up by some 5.5s etc. Sometimes when thrusting in doggy it does not feel very tight and I’m imagining she isn’t happy with the girth then.

Luckily, she isn’t the type to say anything negative. Probably not even to her friends. She loves the hell out of me and is way more concerned about my depressive nature (due to this subject) but more than anything I wish I could please her more easily.

Reading some of the horror stories from you guys in the “is it in yet” thread just makes me lose all faith. I know great girls are out there too. But I have so much empathy and pity for men who are cursed with small penises. Though in my mind I’m very aware sex is not everything. There are many things I consider better than sex. And I love having sex.

So obviously if I have joined this forum I have a slight obsession. I much more would prefer happiness than a bigger dick. That being said I really would just like an average girth. I have many problems with PE though. I can’t do penis exercises my whole life. I hate exercising in general because I don’t like it and I want to spend my life doing things I enjoy. The gains aren’t permanent. I could break my dick. It takes a lot of time out of your life. Etc.

I lived my life thinking I would never be turned down for my penis size. Now I’m thinking my girth will do less and less the older I get. And I fully realize guys who are small are lucky in a way because you won’t end up with someone horrible. Having a small penis could land you the best mate in the world. But that being said it is beginning to haunt me. Yesterday before and after having sex with my girlfriend it was on my mind. Just the number 4.5.

So this seems like the right place to say something. Women cheat and women talk and women belittle. And it sucks to think that sometimes it is about something we are born with. I’m really sorry that we live in this time and I wish I could just smoke a bowl with all you guys who feel less than adequate.

I always assumed I had an average girth. I’m interested in ways to increase girth even if it just PC muscles. Recently I had been exercising (everyday for 2 mo.) and didn’t notice much in the way of blood flow. Also interested in a way to change my mindset. Just curious to see what any of you have to say. Maybe there is dick growth even when you’re twenty. I’m days away from turning 19 and not sure how I can cope with my girth. I know I can pleasure females but there will always be a guy who can pleasure them better and that is probably why a lot of you are here. This seems like the most accepting place to post something like this. I don’t know how long I can stay because some of this just depressed the hell out of me. Maybe one of you can convince me to get into PE. Once again sorry for rambling. Peace and love to you all

Welcome aboard.

Having read many (and I mean many) researches about average penis size, I can tell you that your girth is just slightly less than average and your length is above average. To match average girth, you just need a bit of jelqing. You are right that, foremostly, yours is a psychological issue,; neverthless, if you want to add some girth to peace your mind, you just need to jelq (or pump, if you like more) regularly and you will have no problems at all.

Of course there always will be bigger guys out there, but this stands for everything in life, be it penis size, smartness, tallness or whatever.

Welcome to Thunder’s. :)

The more you read and post, the more you are going to find that this place can help you with both your mindset as well as you penis size. Lots of information has been shared here by guys of similar size and situation to your own.

You sound like you have a good awareness of your self and your situation so I’m sure you will find what you are looking for.

Good luck!


Keep an open mind and a closed wallet... unless it\'s open to making a donation!

Couple things:

From the sound of things you have more important issues to confront than penis size. Your size is not so small to be obsessing about it, I mean more than any guy obsesses about it. ;) That said, some PE won’t hurt, so you can definitely start.

As to gains not being permanent, given enough time and persistence they will be.

Girls don’t generally like to be pounded for 30-40 minutes all the time. Sex is way more about communication and experience than it is about penis size and endurance.

Try to take ANYTHING you read on 4chan with a grain of salt.

I don’t know your situation, and personally I am very glad they legalized marijuana in my home state even though I haven’t smoked it in like six years and do not plan to, but don’t smoke too much - even marijuana smoked to excess is a bad habit, just like alcohol. And it will interact directly with estrogen receptors, decrease testosterone and gonadatropins, and lower sperm count if used chronically (those two things are not myths).

Last, welcome! I hope your journey progresses swimmingly, and there are a ton of experienced dudes on here that will help you along the way. Use the search function and never be afraid to ask about anything you can’t find or need clarification on.

Roots

Originally Posted by rootsnatty

…. And it will interact directly with estrogen receptors, decrease testosterone and gonadatropins, and lower sperm count if used chronically (those two things are not myths)…

Actually, I am reasonably sure those are just myths.

Originally Posted by marinera
Actually, I am reasonably sure those are just myths.

Check this out.

I think it is debatable since true clinical studies have not been carried out on humans since the 70’s, but animal studies almost uniformly support the impairment of endocrine function like this one and a bunch of others that I don’t want to go look up.

Also, you have some studies performed on humans who identified themselves as marijuana smokers but were not carried out in a strictly controlled clinical manner like this one and others.

I really don’t believe marijuana to be dangerous, but I think realizing that using it beyond moderation is not an excellent choice unless it treats a medical condition, and even then only in doses required for treatment and occasional recreation.

Roots

On the subject of:

Marijuana - This plant is less dangerous than my own mind. Meaning my mind will kill me and the plant will not. It is a source of happiness worth any negatives to me.

4chan - This is a guilty pleasure. Just so happens to be where I first read about jelqing and any form of increasing penis size (besides pills and surgery)

My mental health - It’s atrocious.

My girth - I am just 4.5 around the middle. 4.7 and 4.8 around there as well. Lower down seems to be substantially more even though it isn’t visibly obvious and then theres the head of course. When measuring though I seem to go immediately soft. (The point really is why the hell am I measuring so much.)

Cementing gains - My knowledge has me understanding that once stopping you risk losing your gains much like exercising.

You guys all seem pretty cool. It’s like the only place someone isn’t going to laugh at your manhood.


Last edited by Rainbows : 10-07-2014 at .

Effects of chronic marihuana use on integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels.
Mendelson JH, Ellingboe J, Kuehnle JC, Mello NK.
Abstract
Integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels were determined for 13 healthy adult males before, during and after a 21-day period of marihuana use. No significant relationships were found between antecedent or concurrent marihuana smoking and integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels. All values for all subjects obtained during the entire study were within normal limits for healthy adult males.'

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/712643

Originally Posted by Rainbows
On the subject of:

Marijuana - This plant is less dangerous than my own mind. Meaning my mind will kill me and the plant will not. It is a source of happiness worth any negatives to me.

4chan - This is a guilty pleasure. Just so happens to be where I first read about jelqing and any form of increasing penis size (besides pills and surgery)

My mental health - It’s atrocious.

My girth - I am just 4.5 around the middle. 4.7 and 4.8 around there as well. Lower down seems to be substantially more even though it isn’t visibly obvious and then theres the head of course. When measuring though I seem to go immediately soft. (The point really is why the hell am I measuring so much.)

Cementing gains - My knowledge has me understanding that once stopping you risk losing your gains much like exercising.

You guys all seem pretty cool. It’s like the only place someone isn’t going to laugh at your manhood.

We definitely won’t laugh at you here, we are all interested in PE here for various reasons and here to share information.

Penis enlargement is not like muscle enlargement. At some point the gains become permanent and are maintained through normal erections and daily penile movement. Ask TNTJockey, he would love to lose some girth and length, but he can’t now that he has overshot his goals.

Originally Posted by marinera
Effects of chronic marihuana use on integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels.
Mendelson JH, Ellingboe J, Kuehnle JC, Mello NK.
Abstract
Integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels were determined for 13 healthy adult males before, during and after a 21-day period of marihuana use. No significant relationships were found between antecedent or concurrent marihuana smoking and integrated plasma testosterone and luteinizing hormone levels. All values for all subjects obtained during the entire study were within normal limits for healthy adult males.'

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/712643

I know that one. That is from 1990 or 91 I think. That is my point about human trials - they have not been quality studies since the 70’s so the results are very mixed. There are probably as many on one side of the issue as the other, because they do not use a laboratory environment to control the confounding variables.

The controlled animal studies have been much more consistent, but I know how you feel about non-human mammalian studies on this stuff. ;)

Also, the older clinical studies did not use modern research and measurement methods (obviously), so they are questionable as well. And I think many of them were performed with an agenda back then…

Edit: that one was not the one I thought it was when I actually clicked on it. I was thinking of this one, which backs up your point as well.

Yeah only puritan studies are not questionable. :D

By the way, the first study you linked actually says that, despite all the efforts and bias, the authors failed to find any proofs that marjuana consumption impairs sexual balance.

Originally Posted by marinera
Yeah only puritan studies are not questionable. :D

By the way, the first study you linked actually says that, despite all the efforts and bias, the authors failed to find any proofs that marjuana consumption impairs sexual balance.

Yes, that is my point as well that there is nothing conclusive yet. I do think that the number of studies that have reported correlations and the nearly 100% demonstration in animal studies including dogs, monkeys, and rodents is enough to make me believe there is some effect, or at least scare me enough to not engage in chronic marijuana use. :)

So are these studies only done with Puritan subjects? You would have very few confounding variables and interactions from other drugs. Although it might be difficult to find Puritans willing to submit to scientific investigation.

If there isn’t any proof that marijuana causes permanent changes, than it does not. Just plain common sense.

Here you are another one:
Drug Alcohol Depend. 1991 Aug;28(2):121-8.
Effects of chronic marijuana use on testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin and cortisol in men and women.
Block RI1, Farinpour R, Schlechte JA.
Author information
Abstract
To investigate possible effects of chronic marijuana use on reproductive and stress hormones, we assayed testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin, and cortisol in 93 men and 56 women with a mean (+/- S.E.) age of 23.5 +/- 0.4 years. Hormone values were compared among groups of subjects stratified according to frequency of marijuana use (frequent, moderate and infrequent; N = 27, 18, and 30, respectively) and non-using controls (N = 74). Chronic marijuana use showed no significant effect on hormone concentrations in either men or women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1935564

Originally Posted by marinera
If there isn’t any proof that marijuana causes permanent changes, than it does not. Just plain common sense.

Haha I don’t know about that. That’s only true of Laws (in science, not in society), but we accept many other theories as very likely true. A really good example: there is no PROOF that jelqing works, but I think we can agree it does.

There is a proof on me, that’s enough. Do you smoke marijuana, Rootsnatty? Have your hormonal levels checked? I know plenty of people who smokes marjuana daily and if anything they are hornier than people of the same age who don’t smoke marijuana. And I don’t know any mice, dog or monkey who smokes marijuana. Just saying.

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