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My PE Journey: Gains, Workouts, Tips

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My PE Journey: Gains, Workouts, Tips

Types of PE
Manual (99+%), experimented with Hanging (< 1%)

My Total Gains
Volumetric: I more than DOUBLED my starting erect size (13.17 ci to 26.66 ci)
Erect Length: After much stubborn effort, I finally hit the “2 Inch Club”
Erect Girth: 1 1/4+ to 1 1/2” - depending on how you measue (in the beginning, I never measured my base girth, only midshaft. I also think that some of my base gains were due to the “tree roots” syndrome common to hangers - although I was almost exclusively manual, but I stretched very vigorously).

Total Time in PE
My 1st workout: August 2002 (but I’d been notoriously inconsistent after my first 1 - 1 1/2 years or so). I also made the vast majority of my gains within my first 2 years (although, who knows how this would’ve went had I stayed consistent).

Current Status: Inactive

Most Notable PE Achievement/Boast, lol
I gained 1/2” EG during my first month of PE. :)

Permanency of Gains
This is very encouraging - for all who do mechanical, as opposed to pneumatic PE. Although my 1st PE workout was nearly 5 years ago, my actual “PE time” has been maybe 2 - 2 1/2 years, if that. I’ve been on numerous layoffs of 4, 5, 6 months or more - including a FULL YEAR, cold turkey - and I have never lost more than about 0.12-0.18” or so, EG or EL. Considering my total gains, that’s negligible.
To go a full year off, cold turkey, and not even lose 1/5” on either side is something no pumper could say. Furthermore, these small losses were quickly regained upon resumption of regular PE workouts.
Implications: An actual “maintenance routine” is probably very minimal - maybe 10-15 vigorous minutes every 4-7 days or so. That is, unless you want to go a whole year and lose 1/8” or so. :) [This is assuming, of course, that your gains had been “cemented” in the first place.]

First Workouts
1) Hot Wrap (5-7 min.)
2) Dry Jelqs (slow & strong)
3) Powder Up & did vigorous stretching (60- to 90-second “sets”)
4) Did 15-25 more dry jelqs, to restore “plumpness” after stretching
5) Hot Wrap (5-10 min. - doing lots of Kegels the whole time)
* - Done every other day (w/48 hours of rest & recuperation between workouts).

As you can see, this was your “standard, run-of-the-mill” PE workout I found on the Internet (although, I stressed the Dry Jelqs, did a lot of hot wraps & rested 48 hours between sessions).

Later, I went to Wet Jelqs, Dual-Fulcrum stretching & more frequent workouts (4-6 days/week).

My Biggest Mistake: Aside from the inconsistency, it was the erroneous belief that I “no longer needed” the hot wraps. I found them tiresome, inconvenient, etc…..BIG MISTAKE.

Later Workouts…& an Important Tip
I found my way into a modified version of mem’s routine (linked in my sig). I just basically cut down on some of the volume/duration, but I followed the core of his routine - very effective (especially the “caterpillars”). But, perhaps most importantly, I refocused myself on the hot wraps (not going into all of the theory behind it - this post is already long enough - but trust me: Hot Wraps, both before & after a session, are very important for physiological reasons relating to the tunica).

Important Tip to Maximize Hot Wraps/Workouts
I began to find Hot Wraps, before Jelqing, a problem because the damp heat would so “loosen” my tissues that I couldn’t maintain proper jelqing “wood”;so, genius that I am, I eventually stopped the “pre-workout” hot wrap. Later, this laxness extended to the “post-workout” hot wrap as well.

Then I figured out a way around this - and it worked great for me.

Items needed at hand: (1) Wash Rag (preferably a thick one), (2) A Dry Towel, (3) a Drinking Cup, (4) Lubricant - with lid or cap already removed, (5) Talcum Powder, and (6) a Sink or Tub.

(1) “Edge” yourself to some blistering wood.
(2) Quickly wrap the damp, hot wash rag around it (standing over a sink or tub)
(3) Never let the rag get cool, or even lukewarm; however, don’t remove it - simply pour more hot water onto your wrapped wang, with the drinking cup.
(4) Forget about “timing” this - just do it as long as you can, until your wood inevitably deflates to about 75-85% erection level…
(5) RAPIDLY towel dry it, then Lube up - quickly.
(6) Proceed to your Wet Jelqs

…..at the end of your workout, Hot Wrap just like this for 10 minutes, but don’t worry about your erection levels, just keep the wash rag constantly hot (you might use this time to take care of your Kegels, like I did)

* - Remember: Rush to your jelqing, not through your jelqing.

I found this very effective.

Thoughts on PE Gains, Length, Girth…
Despite what your family physician might tell you, PE is based upon scientific principles: Plastic Deformation, via Tissue Traction. Ironically, the medical establishes even utilizes tissue traction (to treat other situations) when it would benefit their patients, but they don’t apply this concept to the penis.

Not only Length gains, but Girth gains as well, rely on that principle (plastic deformation, via tissue traction). But differences emerge during the practical application of that principle.

Length Gains
When it comes to training for length gains, it does appear that “the more, the better.” I recall looking at some traction devices on a German website (their device, by the way, was sanctioned by the EU as an “approved medical device” - not a gimmick or novelty item). And in their print, there was a direct correlation between gains and the total time the device was worn. And that makes sense: the greater the total time under load, the greater the plastic deformation.

Girth Gains
Whereas it appears that length gains can be somewhat “forced” to occur, I believe that girth gains must be allowed to happen. And while the same principle applies to both aspects of penis growth, we achieve this through 2 very different methods: While the tractile stresses for length work are externally-invoked, those same stresses for girth gains are internally-invoked. And I believe the latter process is far more traumatic to the penile tissues.

I can recall the time I went “overboard” on the girth work…the next few days I had hideous bruises on my penis - some of them were the size of a U.S. dime. Never again. Yet, I never had such tissue trauma from stretching.

Applying This Concept For (Girth) Hard-Gainers
1) Do a version of mem’s girth workout - doing the “Hot Wrap Tip” I provided. Really focus on the jelqing, the caterpillars, etc….But do the GIRTH portion EVERY OTHER DAY
2) Do the stretching portion of the workout 5 days per week.

Thoughts on “Xtreeme” Girth Workouts
As per what I wrote above, I don’t agree with them. The risks are far too high. Furthermore, if you keep “traumatizing” your tissues, you won’t make gains anyway. I recall a serious “Xtreeme Girth Workout” proponent here talking about how he’d never received any injuries….then he finally did (a thrombosis).
Forget the erect jelqing, the clamped bends, the multiple clamps, etc. PE is a marathon, not a sprint. Take a full 4-6 weeks off, cold turkey. Then try the recommended workout above (stretching 5 days per week, but allowing 48 hours between any girth sessions). Heck, if you’re really hurting for some girth, drop the length sessions for a while & just do a good girth workout every other day - give it a good 6-8 weeks and see what happens (but don’t do any extreme work - just those mentioned in mem’s routine, every other day).

Strategic Deconditioning Breaks
These are a gold mine - provided that your breaks are “strategic,” and not arbitrary.! Generally speaking, after a few months of zero gains, take 4-6 weeks off, cold turkey. When you resume, ease back into it - but find your stride within 2-3 weeks after resuming. This can “decondition” stubborn tissues - which build up a resistance to PE training over time - thus jumpstarting new gains again.

Whew…that’s not “everything,” but I damn tired from all this typing.

Wow great post.very help full for a newbie!

The key iv’e been trying to push is slow jelqs to newbies. And perhaps harder slow jelqs to men whose penis’s are more condtioned. I to have had gains on a modified MEM program for girth and such.

So do you edge and then jelq? And between events apply a cocnsistant wet hot application to the edged out woodie befor jelqing?


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Originally Posted by kingpole
The key iv’e been trying to push is slow jelqs to newbies. And perhaps harder slow jelqs to men whose penis’s are more condtioned. I to have had gains on a modified MEM program for girth and such.

So do you edge and then jelq? And between events apply a cocnsistant wet hot application to the edged out woodie befor jelqing?


YES. Keep your wood as hard as you can, as long as you can - while hot-wrapped. You will inevitably, however, start to deflate. At 75-85%, quickly jump to your jelqs.

For the post-workout hot wrap, do it the same, without worrying about erection levels - just do it for a good 10 minutes.

Nice post wadzilla.
I’m currently focusing on girth gains and I have got some more than shows in my signature but it is slow. My routine starts with warmup over the sink with the shower handle. Then I stretch for 15-20 min alternating between straight out and 12 o’clock along the stomach which seems to hit the tunica more. Then I do my girth routine which is 4 sets of 10 min clamping with an air clamp. Between sets I do helicopter spins(very good for circulation) and 70-80% jelqing. Then I warmdown like the warmup with some added massage. I do this routine currently 5 days on, 2 days off.

Would you say that I’m overdoing the girth work to get the best gains? Why?


Start around 2006-03 -- BPEL: 6.2" EG: 4.8"

Current 2008-04-27 ---- BPEL: 7.4" EG: 5.2" BaseGirth:6.1"

Later ------------------ BPEL: 7.87" EG: 5.9" :spin:

A vet’s complete itinerary, and thoughts on PE - often sought after, thank you Wad, awesome stuff.


Going for 6 inches of girth, wish me luck.

Yes, really good. This is the great stuff that really makes a difference. thanks Wads

During these deconditioning periods, can you still stretch or does that count?

Wad jr.

It’s always good to get insight such as this. Thanks.

Whenever I see the routine of a good gainer, I always check to see whether they do stretching or jelqing first. Interesting to see that you do jelqing first.

I’ve always figured, stretching makes the micro tears, then jelqing pushes the blood into the tears and repairs. :) I don’t know if that’s correct, and I could be completely wrong but that’s just how I always thought of it for some reason.

Anyway, good stuff!


Starting size: (April 1 2007) 5.95" BPEL x 4.65" EG. | Progress Thread (plus pics)

Now: (August 20 2007) 6.6" BPEL x 4.81" EG. Half way towards my goal! | Current Stats

Short term goal: (3-4 months) 6.8" BPEL, 5.0" EG.. Long term goal (1+ yr): 7.5" BPEL, 5.5" EG.

When you talk about strategic deconditioning, does this apply only to the girth portion of the workout or both girth and length. I ask because you recommend grinding out the length gains but playing it safe with the girth routines.

Modong,
The only use I’d have for clamping is post-workout, with moderate tightness, merely to prolong that post-workout plumpness for as long as possible. I would not make clamping the meat & potatoes of my routine.

I know some guys swear by clamping, but I’m suspicious of a lot of the gains they make, especially the way their girth measurements tend to fluctuate wildly. I think this is due to either, (1) Fluid retention - faux girth - akin to pumpers, and/or (2) Tissue swelling, due to trauma - akin to injury. I’ve also read some clampers reveal that they quickly lose a lot of girth after a break from clamping. That doesn’t sound like real girth “gains” to me. If you mainly clamp, take a month or so deconditioning break, then take a girth measurement. Or, as in my case, 12 months off cold turkey & I lost < 1/5” EG…those were real girth gains.

nick33,
Both types of PE - traction & impaction - will contribute to micro-tearing, but I sort of looked at the equation from the other side: Due to the higher trauma associated with impaction exercises - as evidenced, at times, by the bruising I spoke of - I think girth training probably does more micro-tearing than length training. So, I sorta figured that after I hammered my wang with girth work - engorged it, caused some micro-tearing - the tissues would be more susceptible to length training/gains. Not sure which of us is correct. :)

wangchun,
A deconditioning break is just that: a break. Don’t do any PE whatsoever while on a break, or you’re defeating the whole purpose of taking the break.

Originally Posted by nick33
It’s always good to get insight such as this. Thanks.

Whenever I see the routine of a good gainer, I always check to see whether they do stretching or jelqing first. Interesting to see that you do jelqing first.

I’ve always figured, stretching makes the micro tears, then jelqing pushes the blood into the tears and repairs. :) I don’t know if that’s correct, and I could be completely wrong but that’s just how I always thought of it for some reason.

Anyway, good stuff!


I guess it depends on the person. Some gain alot by jelqing first then stretching, and others gain by stretching first then jelqing. I say play around until you find out what works for you.


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Wadzilla, I appreciate you taking the time to write all this up, this is great stuff coming from a top gainer. Thanks!


Feb '07: BPEL 6.25" EG 4.3 || Goal: BPEL 8.5 EG 6.0

Sep '07: BPEL 6.75" EG 4.6

Sep '08: BPEL 7.25" EG 4.75

Everyone who has gained from Thunders should do this to pass on their knowledge and expertise to the newbies. Thanks for taking the time to type all that up!


Current Stats: 10/5/2010 7 x 6 BPEL

Current Goal: 8.5 x 7 BPEL

wad, I’ve got to hand it to you, this is an excellent summary.

Well done.

When you’re good you’re very, very good…


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Last edited by Mr. Happy : 06-06-2007 at .

Originally Posted by jelqdude01
Everyone who has gained from Thunders should do this to pass on their knowledge and expertise to the newbies. Thanks for taking the time to type all that up!

This is what I try to do. I’ve learned some great stuff here: (1) V-stretch, (2) A-stretch, (3) Deconditioning breaks, (4) Caterpillars, (5) mem’s routine, etc., etc.

We need to keep brainstorming, to welcome & participate in critical debate, and to pass on whatever has worked for us. This is also a great place to find encouragement, see sample routines, pics, etc.

Thanks, Mr Happy.

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