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So I’m currently in my second month since I’ve restarted with PE. During my first month I found a way to jelq in such a manner that I could avoid engorging the head much. The rest of the penis would be pretty well engorged and I’d feel a good stretch just below the glans. I figured this was a good thing (since I’m engorging the penis without risking turning my head into a mushroom in the long-run) until I failed to gain a millimeter by month’s end.

I’ve switched up my routine a little this month (everything is documented in my progress diary) and I’m making it a point to engorge the head quite a bit, not just the shaft, while I jelq. Of course, I try to be careful not to injure myself, but it’s definitely a change from the way I jelqed my first month. What I’ve noticed is my entire penis feels more stretchy and pliable jelqing this way. I find that strange since the only place receiving more blood is the head, the rest of my penis is just as engorged as it was the way I jelqed the first month. Is there some kind of chemical reaction that takes place that makes the penis more stretchy and pliable when the head is engorged? Of course, this seems and feels like it’s a good thing and I hope it’ll lend to some gains.

So I guess my question is this, for those that have had good gains from jelqing… Is it best to keep the head engorged while jelqing? Or should you try to jelq in such a manner as to engorge the penis but avoid engorging the head as much as possible?

Hopefully my question and explanation make sense. Thanks!


On and off since 2007

Started (October 2007) at: 5.5 BPEL x 4.75 EG

Last Did PE (March 2012) at: 6.00 BPEL x 5 EG

I say definitely go with this “new” way to jelq, engorging the head. As far as I know, the blood inside the glans(penis head) and CS Chamber drains into the CC Chambers (the main shaft). Therefore, by limiting engorgement of the head, you are probably, as a result, reducing shaft engorgement. So yeah, keep on going with your new method, and see what result you get. Good luck.


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

I’m curious: What’s wrong with glans enlargement if you can get that?


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avocet8

I’m curious: How did you avoid head engorging?


Starting stats Achieved/Current Wanted/Goal

BPEL |15(5.9")|16(6.3")|17(6.7")|18(7.09")|19(7.5")|20(7.9")|

MSEG |10.5(4.13")|11.5(4.5")|12(4.7")|13(5.1")|14(5.5")|15(5.9")|

Originally Posted by soodana
I’m curious: How did you avoid head engorging?

Come to think of it, its a bit difficult to explain. I initially did this by accident, but then became conscious to continue jelqing this way because I believed I was onto something. What I did is first make sure that my glans were on the “deflated” side. Then I work myself into a semi-erect state, but I do that without touching the glans or doing any kegals. Then when semi erect and starting to jelq, I’d concentrate pressure more on the sides, not only the sides but mostly, as opposed to a full “ok” grip where perhaps the pressure would be more evenly distributed. I don’t do much if any kegaling when jelqing this way. I ended up feeling more of an expansion than an engorgement (though I felt both) throughout my shaft and an especially good expansion just below the glans. It felt good, never painful. I felt like maybe I was onto something, like I was concentrating the blood more on the shaft than the head. Naturally, I felt this was a good thing. But then I switched my jelqing style after not gaining that month (also added stretching time and increased from 1 on 1 off to 2 on 1 off). I make it a point now to expand the glans and my PI’s have been through the roof. I feel more of an engorgement this way, though the other way I did feel quite an expansion. Erections are strong erections (though they were fine with the other jelqing style too) and my penis feels much more soft, sensitive, and pliable. It just seems like jelqing this way is keeping my penis in a better “material” for expansion and growth. Material may be a strange choice of words, but it can feel like its made of a different material depending on pliability.

man-of-10: thanks for the insight. I’m going to keep jelqing this way. I dont really have much of a choice I think, as the other method felt like it was working but didn’t. I guess I’m just curious if what I’m describing about my current jelqing style - or the difference between the two styles - sounds familiar to anyone who’s seen gains. I was really discouraged after that failed month, but I quickly realized that I want this to work too badly to quit. I just hope at the end of this month there’s at least some positive reinforcement. I’d be very happy if I simply hit 6 inches BPEL this second month.

avocet8: I guess if only my head got large and nothing else, it just wouldn’t look to aesthetically appealing. That’s kinda what feels like is happening when the head is really engorged. My penis is pretty well proportioned the way it is right now. I’d like to generally maintain its current look, just magnify the size… a lot :D

Thank you all for your feedback. I guess how I’m doing it and what I’m experiencing is what I should be doing and experiencing if I’m going to get any gains.


On and off since 2007

Started (October 2007) at: 5.5 BPEL x 4.75 EG

Last Did PE (March 2012) at: 6.00 BPEL x 5 EG


Last edited by growing09 : 04-19-2011 at .

Originally Posted by man-of-10

As far as I know, the blood inside the glans(penis head) and CS Chamber drains into the CC Chambers (the main shaft). Therefore, by limiting engorgement of the head, you are probably, as a result, reducing shaft engorgement.

No, that’s not right. The glans and the corpus spongiosum (CS) are separate from the corpora cavernosa (CC) and have different a blood supply and initial venous drainage. See: 3corpora.jpg

Hey WestLA yeah I knew they were separate but could have sworn I saw Drilla or Bib or someone mention how there was some level of intercommunication from CS to CCs. I think it was maybe mentioned in regards to the efficacy of Horse 440s?

This diagram for example, albeit showing only arteries, seems to show connections from CS to CCs http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped…7c/Gray1158.png


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

OK. You’re free to believe whatever you want. I’ll just point out that you said…

“As far as I know, the blood inside the glans(penis head) and CS Chamber drains into the CC Chambers (the main shaft). Therefore, by limiting engorgement of the head, you are probably, as a result, reducing shaft engorgement.”

If blood “drains” it must be in a vein. Therefore you’re implying that the veins that drain the glans empty INTO the corpora cavernosa. Anatomically that does not make sense.

Whatever advice you want to give is fine, but perhaps the anatomy that you use as a reference might need some further investigating.

Maybe you mistook the tone of my last post. My advice was just based on something I read in a thread from one of the vets about Horse 440 squeezes- so a complete assumption on my part. As you pointed out, what I said in no way corresponds to the penis anatomy, which you would certainly know 100x better than I would, being a medical professional(: .

My second post stemmed merely from curiosity of whether there are any interconnections between the CS and CC blood networks. The thread when the mechanisms of why the Horse 440 is so effective in pushing the expansion envelope (of CC Chambers) was discussed, is largely what keeps me curious as to whether there really are connections.

I’ve had great success myself with Horse 440s (Note to everyone else: NOT for Newbies!!!) and have been amazed at how compressing the glans can cause such great temporary CC expansion. I just wonder what the mechanism involved is: arterial back flow? A simple shunt effect back at the “Internal Pudic Artery”? My curiosity has always been piqued on the matter!(that’s how I am with these kinds of things, it’s not to be taken the wrong way. I’ll be training in the medical field soon and am curious beyond belief about these things; they interest me).


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

I’ve been jelqing for over a year and don’t have a much larger head, but I have gained length. I also do ulis, which really engorges the head to the extreme. If anything, I can tell a little girth gainst that have not happened as much to the head. So I think you need to adjust your routine.

I think what you are doing will slow length gains, and migth actually limit your girth. Do real jelqs.

I have never done a jelq that doesn’t engorge the head. I always jelq all the way up to the head, can’t see how jelqing can be done the right way without engorging the head.

Originally Posted by WestLA-90069
No, that’s not right. The glans and the corpus spongiosum (CS) are separate from the corpora cavernosa (CC) and have different a blood supply and initial venous drainage. See: 3corpora.jpg

Do you have a slightly bigger version of this picture? I can’t quite read the writing.

Audacia, youre trying to find out where the pubic bone on that picture is right?

Originally Posted by Audacia

Do you have a slightly bigger version of this picture? I can’t quite read the writing.

How’s this? I can change it to a bigger one if needed.

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Originally Posted by man-of-10

My second post stemmed merely from curiosity of whether there are any interconnections between the CS and CC blood networks. The thread when the mechanisms of why the Horse 440 is so effective in pushing the expansion envelope (of CC Chambers) was discussed, is largely what keeps me curious as to whether there really are connections.

There are some arterial connections between the CC and the CS. See the part of this Google book image above the graphic, especially toward the end where it talks about “perforators.” Note that it says they are “neither constant nor reliable in their distribution.” I’d also imagine they’re very small.

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I’ve had great success myself with Horse 440s (Note to everyone else: NOT for Newbies!!!) and have been amazed at how compressing the glans can cause such great temporary CC expansion. I just wonder what the mechanism involved is: arterial back flow? A simple shunt effect back at the “Internal Pudic Artery”? My curiosity has always been piqued on the matter!(that’s how I am with these kinds of things, it’s not to be taken the wrong way. I’ll be training in the medical field soon and am curious beyond belief about these things; they interest me).

In the presentation of his technique Horse440 said he pushed blood from “the head down to the shaft.” He didn’t say “into the CC.” Expansion of the CS with his technique would add to penile girth, which was the focus of the exercise, but I believe the main increase comes from the pressure applied to the CC from above (moving “OK” grip) and below (manually clamped at the base). I doubt there’s much arterial backflow involved and what appears to be blood moving from the glans to the corpora cavernosa is merely an illusion.

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