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The cause of penile growth during puberty

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The cause of penile growth during puberty

5-alpha reductase converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone a.k.a DHT which is the main substance that increases penile growth during puberty. However there are also other side-effects to DHT. I’ve been searching throught the internet to find a supplement that will optimally increase 5-a reductase/DHT but I can’t seem to find any other than steroids. Almost every site only shows about DHT inhibitors. Does anyone know of any supplements preferably herbs that will increase 5-a reductase DHT?

Note: Green Tea increases DHT but also SHBG so that’s contradictory.

Hi Evergrowing,

I have to admit that I know of no supplement that will indrease 5 AR. But on the other hand, perhaps you have not thought this through well enough. 5 AR is an enzyme. Think of this as “chemical scissors.” They are used once and that is it for the enzyme. Also both T and DHT are feedback controlled. That means that your body assesses how much you have, and releases the necessary products (basically enzymes, or in this case 5 AR) If you supplement with an enzyme, you may cause a short term increase, but your body will adjust for it.

Since you are trying to increase DHT, why not simply take DHT and then use the AR blockers such as Saw Palmetto to protect your prostate? Your hair may be an issue to, so take the 5 AR blockers for hair. A little DHT on your penis will be felt rather quickly. However, it alone will not cause growth in adults. You have to put your penis under tension in one way or another.

Best of luck,

Stage

Hi stagestop,

Is DHT effective in PE?

What does it do?

Thanks a lot.


Conquering my goals.

Originally Posted by OS_q
Hi stagestop,

Is DHT effective in PE?

I am not stagestop but I’ll answer your question.

Yes DHT is effective in pe. but,

Originally Posted by OS_q

What does it do?

Thanks a lot.

It is highly effective in increasing penis size only during puberty, infact it is the primary/powerful component of penile growth during puberty.

Dihydrotestosterone is far more potent than testosterone..

Something I often come across is, the majority of tribulus supplements contain DHT inhibitors. Some supplements claim to increase natural testosterone production by up to 400%. Hence, I want to know what is the ratio of the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone is. If I can evaluate the ratio, I would’nt have to worry about the DHT inhibition(caused by the supplement) since my testosterone level will be greater and compensate for the loss of DHT.

Evergrowing, you are making a lot of presumptions here that seem to be based on overhyped supplement advertising.

Originally Posted by stagestop
Hi Evergrowing,

I have to admit that I know of no supplement that will indrease 5 AR. But on the other hand, perhaps you have not thought this through well enough. 5 AR is an enzyme. Think of this as “chemical scissors.”

Hellow Stagestop,

Okay, you’re right when saying that 5-alpha reductase is an enzyme, specifically activator enzyme.

Originally Posted by stagestop
Think of this as “chemical scissors.”

Chemical scissors? What kind of an analogy is that sir? Activator enzymes do not cut through or break down molecules, only inhibitors enzyme do that. Enzymes are proteins that function as biological catalysts on specialized substrates. Catalysts and substrates fit like lock and key, respectively.
Each enzyme is unique and is specifically assigned to its respective substrates.

Originally Posted by stagestop
They are used once and that is it for the enzyme.

Erm, no it is not the end of the story for the enzyme once it has catalyzed with a substrate. We’re talking about fundamental biology here, enzymes can be used in reactions to convert the substrate into different molecules over and over again.

Originally Posted by stagestop
Also both T and DHT are feedback controlled. That means that your body assesses how much you have, and releases the necessary products (basically enzymes, or in this case 5 AR) If you supplement with an enzyme, you may cause a short term increase, but your body will adjust for it.

Yes naturally produced testosterone is feedbacked by the hypothalamus, and gives response to the various organs(effector) to produce/release reductase. It is predetermined, and controlled by the body. True, if you supplement reductase, the body will sense this in the blood stream(conductor) and accordingly adjusts to it by diminishing natural reductase production after some time. But suppose I follow a cycle of consuming external reductase while the body is still producing its own reductase and then temporarily stop the external reductase before the body senses that natural production is unnecseccary and shuts down. I can trick my body into prolonged reductase production by stopping supplementation of reductase during the relapse.

Originally Posted by stagestop
Since you are trying to increase DHT, why not simply take DHT and then use the AR blockers such as Saw Palmetto to protect your prostate? Your hair may be an issue to, so take the 5 AR blockers for hair. A little DHT on your penis will be felt rather quickly. However, it alone will not cause growth in adults. You have to put your penis under tension in one way or another.

Best of luck,

Stage

Well that is another alternative, simply increasing the result of the reaction (DHT) instead of increasing the 5 alpha reductase(enzyme) and testosterone(subtrate) would be like cutting short the reaction and getting the end product. But the scenario is I can consume… (let’s call it)Brand X which will easily jack up my testosterone level at an all time high, but want the enzyme 5 alpha reductase to catalyze it to DHT(since Brand X contains 5 alpha reductase inhibitor). The crux is I want the 5 alpha reductase sir! I can have all the increased testosterone but I want the 5 alpha reductase to convert it to DHT. And I have to find out a good source of 5 alpha reductase. So that I can optimise my testosterone levels.

I am 18 but a late bloomer that started at 14 and a half, I want to optimise my natural DHT levels and also any testosterone increasing supplement that I will take in the future(Brand X). So the hair won’t be an issue, acne maybe, but that’s not a concern.

5 alpha reductase is not what causes balding rather DHT. I am going through puberty, so this increased DHT may have a tremendous effect on increasing my penis size.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by hobby
Evergrowing, you are making a lot of presumptions here that seem to be based on overhyped supplement advertising.

I don’t and never will buy into the advertising, I learn the science first then I sought for the supplement. I search for the supplement at my will, only if it helps. Silly magic penis pills is for nutters and the filthy rich.(please don’t misunderstand, not being rude to you at all, just amazed at how some people can lavishly spend money) I have an idea of what I want but sadly, I don’t have the resources. That’s just life I guess. God(or nature if you would like) gave me a penis, but it is up to my ability on how I can maximize it. And all I’m here for, is to do just that. I will just keep on learning, trying and growing. And I will not stop at any costs.

Originally Posted by Evergrowing
I don’t and never will buy into the advertising, I learn the science first then I sought for the supplement. I search for the supplement at my will, only if it helps. Silly magic penis pills is for nutters and the filthy rich.(please don’t misunderstand, not being rude to you at all, just amazed at how some people can lavishly spend money) I have an idea of what I want but sadly, I don’t have the resources. That’s just life I guess. God(or nature if you would like) gave me a penis, but it is up to my ability on how I can maximize it. And all I’m here for, is to do just that. I will just keep on learning, trying and growing. And I will not stop at any costs.

If you are only 18, I would advise against taking any testosterone supplements. Your levels already are at an “all time high.”

Originally Posted by benwahballs_182
If you are only 18, I would advise against taking any testosterone supplements. Your levels already are at an “all time high.”

Wrong, at an all time high that your body can produce, puberty is a complex yet important process. I can further increase my testosterone level by taking external testosterone stimulator. I want to make the most of it. I see so many men lemanting “this shit won’t work!”, “I’m already an adult, this works best during puberty”. I don’t ever want to regret not trying to improve myself at the best time of my life. Just because I was too lazy trying to find out the facts the hard way. That will be the most awful feeling,.. regret.

Originally Posted by Evergrowing

Yes DHT is effective in pe. but.

It is highly effective in increasing penis size only during puberty, infact it is the primary/powerful component of penile growth during puberty.

Dihydrotestosterone is far more potent than testosterone..

DHT also makes your hair fall out, its one of the reasons you guys go bald. I’d think you’d want a bigger dick with a head full of hair.


sunny A day without sunshine is like a day without laughter :sun:

Hello Evergrowing,

I can see that my level of writing my first letter was not appropriate.

Your tact of trying to increase hormones through enzyme manipulation is quite a challenge. I have never heard of or seen this done in adrenal hormones. I do understand the impatience of youth, and actually in this field, the impatience is almost a universal constant. HOWEVER, increasing T at your age does have risks. I have spoken with a couple of young men who were body builders and who engaged in heavy steroid use. One was 16 years old, the other 17. They both ended up with HPTA shutdown. One was able to eventually recover. The other seems to have permanently affected his own ability to produce T and will most likely be on T supplementation for the rest of his life. To be sure, both used a considerable amount of “juice” but the cost to their bodies was high.

As to the thought about using DHT alone for penis enhancement, I think that it could have some value to you, in combination with a more conventional program such as is offered here for newbies.

To do this with enzyme modification seems an impossibility to me. So, looking at what you could actually purchase, we come back to DHT.

I am not suggesting large amounts of DHT use either, but since the transdermal creme can be applied to your penis, at least you can put the DHT where it will be effective, and by so doing not risk that dangers of a higher dosage systemically. The product that fits this need is Andractim. It comes in a 2.5 or 5% mix, with the 2.5% being what you could obtain on line. Andractim comes in 80 gram tubes, similar to toothpaste tubes. A very small amount, such as a drop about 3/8” across should be more than enough to get you started. Later, if you need more, you can do so. Rub it in all along the penis. Andractim has an alcohol based transdermal carrier. Occasionally, it will burn when applied. This is caused by poor mixing, or separation of part of the alcohol. This will usually, only happen for the first time or two that you use the tube. The “burning” may be better described as an alcohol sting, and it goes away in a few minutes. There is no damage to the skin from this sensation.

When you use DHT, you will notice a change in your libido. Since age 18 is considered the usual time for men to have their highest amount of libido, this may be more than distracting.

I very much doubt that using DHT alone will cause growth, even though it has done so for younger boys, and is the course of treatment for micro penis conditions. These actions are done on boys that are much, much younger than you, and done a much higher dosages that what I am suggesting. But perhaps this will give you piece of mind later in life that you did not miss your great chance to grow.

Best of luck,

Stage

Originally Posted by sunshinekid
DHT also makes your hair fall out, its one of the reasons you guys go bald. I’d think you’d want a bigger dick with a head full of hair.

Did’nt I already state the obvious? in the #8th post of the thread. Balding due to DHT should be a concern for older men. At my age I don’t think I will ever be near that situation, highly unlikely and it is a slow, visible process such that even if it were to happen, I will have ample time to counter-react to it. However acne and gyno is highly possible, which is still unevitable at my age.

Originally Posted by Evergrowing
5 alpha reductase is not what causes balding rather DHT. I am going through puberty, so this increased DHT may have a tremendous effect on increasing my penis size.

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