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Stopping/Controlling Anxiety by Any Method

Not really. I was in group therapy, before and CBT for a short time. Totally useless. I’m doing relaxation methods. They help for about 10 minutes. I have more relaxation reading Thunder’s threads and surfing the Net. I also see a psychiatrist once/week. He’s a good guy. He does use interpersonal therapy. The problem, is, I’m not really honest with him. I have been persuaded to fake that I’m feeling fine (well I am fine, if I’m not working in a pressure environment) to get his support and get my license back, because we have a house, mortgage payments, debts, etc. (all the nasty stuff).


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Originally Posted by EagerToLearn
Commanderblop, it is possible to have adverse reaction to the medication as iamaru posted. However, I think it could probably just be that you don’t know what it’s like to take the medication and it’s making you feel different, thus you feel anxious… Again, do you have ANY history with benzo’s or drugs of abuse?

I have no history of benzo or any drug dependence, with one caveat I list in the next paragraph. I readily admit I am paranoid about taking drugs, and have trouble “letting go”. One of the reasons 25% of my mushroom trips and even a few of my marijuana trips have gone bad. (From when I was younger — I rarely indulge in that stuff nowadays.)

The only drug I take regularly — which is benzo-like — is Zopiclone. It is a sleeping pill, similar to Lunesta or Ambien, elsewhere, I think. It is now known it has a high risk of addiction, and I am careful with it. Been taking it two years, but never more than one pill at a time (usually half), and never more than 2x in a row, and never more than 2x in a work week. Ever. Using this careful method means that half a pill today is just as effective as it was when I first took it two years ago.


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Originally Posted by commanderblop
I have no history of benzo or any drug dependence, with one caveat I list in the next paragraph. I readily admit I am paranoid about taking drugs, and have trouble “letting go”. One of the reasons 25% of my mushroom trips and even a few of my marijuana trips have gone bad. (From when I was younger — I rarely indulge in that stuff nowadays.)

I had a bad trip once (never touched that shit again). I thought others could read my mind, and I wouldn’t be able to control my thoughts and was paranoid I would end up saying everything I was thinking.


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Originally Posted by commanderblop
Is it possible clonazepam can make someone more anxious?

In addition to the immediate “paradoxical effects” that a very small minority of people experience, some experts maintain that as-needed use of benzo’s (i.e., whenever you feel freaked out or fear that you will feel freaked out) can exacerbate situational (e.g., social) anxiety in the long run, just as any “avoidance” or “safety” behaviors can. But I’m not sure how much there is in the way of hard data to back this assertion up.

Anyway, although some cases of anxiety are really intractable and may require eventually experimenting with meds (even, perhaps, as-needed symptomatic meds like benzo’s, as bohm and EagerToLearn had to use at some points), I would urge anyone who has not already tried intensive behavioral (exposure) therapy to give it a serious chance. In milder cases, anxiety disorders can sometimes be virtually cured by a sufficient course of behavioral therapy. In other cases, “management” may be a more realistic goal than cure, but basically, most research psychiatrists and psychologists working on anxiety agree that behavioral therapies have stronger evidence in their favor than any other approach. The main downside is that behavior therapy is hard work; you have to commit yourself to very painful exposures, and for severe cases, several hours of exposures per day, in a variety of contexts, may be needed to make progress. You have to really, really want it, although a good therapist can help with the motivation aspect.

For what it’s worth, I don’t consider myself to have an anti-drug bias in general. For some problems, like bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, meds are typically more effective than therapy, and indeed, therapy often can’t touch the disorders at all until things have been brought under control with medication. For anxiety, though, I think a person is really shortchanging themselves if they try only SSRIs (probably mostly a placebo, and no effect once you stop taking them) or benzo’s (a safety blanket that can be seriously habit-forming — although, as I mention above, they can have their place when nothing else helps).


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Para

I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, society and the competitive workplace isn’t very anxiety-friendly. I wish my workplace and College had a system designed to slowly incorporate me into the workplace but nobody is willing to do that especially when they can easily find another person to fill the void without any baggage. So here’s my situation:

1. In my interview I will have to inform my employer about my previous drug addiction
2. I will have to go through random and potentially monitored urine tests
3. My employer will be watching me like a hawk knowing my previous history (nobody trusts a previous addict/abuser, especially one with an anxiety disorder)
4. I’ll be thrown “slowly” into a relatively high pressure environment without any real medication


If that doesn’t make even a normal person’s anxiety go through the roof picture me who has performance anxiety and GAD and very likely Asperger’s. I really can’t think of any incentive for any health professional to inform their College about their mental disorder/drug problem, even though they tell you that you should. What a joke. Even my psychiatrist said the College are a bunch of fucking pricks, since they basically punished me for informing them.


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Yeah, it sounds terrible bohm! I was just trying to address any watchers of this thread who are “anxiety newbies” and who might be thinking of experimenting with meds before trying behavioral stuff that usually works better (and without the potential problems). It’s amazing how many primary care physicians will prescribe (usually useless) SSRIs rather than refer for a course of exposure therapy.

Do you do any programming? There’s a huge need in medicine today (especially behavioral/psychological medicine!) to create “app” type things (for cell phones and whatnot) to help people manage their diseases and disorders properly. Someone knowledgeable in both medicine and programming could potentially build some lucrative packages in this area.


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Originally Posted by Para-Goomba
Do you do any programming? There’s a huge need in medicine today (especially behavioral/psychological medicine!) to create “app” type things (for cell phones and whatnot) to help people manage their diseases and disorders properly. Someone knowledgeable in both medicine and programming could potentially build some lucrative packages in this area.

Unfortunately, no programming experience. Very little computer experience, in general. I thought about working in the pharmaceutical industry, but then I would have go back to school for another 1-2 years (I have zero business experience), spend more money which I don’t have and then there’s all that corporate stuff (meetings, presentations, proposals, etc.) and there are also very few positions and only for really outgoing, aggressive people.

Without very good, outgoing social skills, these days, you’re basically fried, especially if you want to work in a big city. Social skills are way more important than academic skills, etc. You might work as a loner tech geek/run-around if you’re talented but that’s about it. I think the easiest job for someone with performance/social anxiety might be an astronomer or a field geologist/forester but there’s not that many jobs and you gotta be willing to live in an isolated area.


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Originally Posted by bohm
Para

I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, society and the competitive workplace isn’t very anxiety-friendly. I wish my workplace and College had a system designed to slowly incorporate me into the workplace but nobody is willing to do that especially when they can easily find another person to fill the void without any baggage. So here’s my situation:

1. In my interview I will have to inform my employer about my previous drug addiction
2. I will have to go through random and potentially monitored urine tests
3. My employer will be watching me like a hawk knowing my previous history (nobody trusts a previous addict/abuser, especially one with an anxiety disorder)
4. I’ll be thrown “slowly” into a relatively high pressure environment without any real medication


If that doesn’t make even a normal person’s anxiety go through the roof picture me who has performance anxiety and GAD and very likely Asperger’s. I really can’t think of any incentive for any health professional to inform their College about their mental disorder/drug problem, even though they tell you that you should. What a joke. Even my psychiatrist said the College are a bunch of fucking pricks, since they basically punished me for informing them.

Hey bohm, I know you’re not actively struggling with drug addiction right now, but I really think that NA can help you overcome your anxiety problems, or at least help ameliorate them. It’s very hard work as well, but it’s free, although to achieve success you will have to commit yourself with no restraints to following the program, trusting your peers in meetings, and most importantly finding a good sponsor that can relate to your situation and trusting him. I’ve seen it work on people more crippled than you, with far worse drug addictions, coming back from homelessness who are now millionaires and give back as much as they can to the program. It works if you work it. Just going to the meetings and making yourself stay for that hour, meeting new people, over time that IS behavioral therapy, that IS exposure therapy, and it will help. I promise.

This was a really fascinating thread and I enjoyed reading all of your comments, Bohms especially on his journey with anxiety and substance issues.

For our US members, I want to offer a caveat regarding the use of any psychoactive substances, prescribed or not: keep it on the down low at work to avoid any negative impacts on your career. There is a stigma attached to psychological “problems” in our society, it might even be a bigger problem than the actual psychological problems our society has.

If you work for a big company you might find that the HR dept is actually your friend, but really the only way to keep your medical problems at arms length is if you can use the third-party behavioral health organization or mental health organization services offered by your medical plan. ( I worry too about the role insurance companies play in all this stuff - with the information that they collect and aggregate and how they can abuse what they know about problems you have).

Anyway, If you have to apprise anyone outside of HR of your personal situation, like a member of management, then you have compromised your privacy and potentially damaged your career prospects. Just be careful who you share these details with - this is a good reason to cultivate solid personal friendships with somebody in your chain of management who you know will have your back, should you ever need it.

I have had several friends crack up in visible ways - one over a divorce which landed him in a psych ward - others with chronic problems that finally culminated in acute episodes of substance abuse or legal problems. And in Silicon Valley it has become very unfashionable to have personal problems that intrude on your professional life. Despite the touchy feely culture that a lot of tech companies CLAIM to foster, in my experience this is mostly bullshit, and they merely pay lip service to the idea that employees are their number one priority - this is mostly for PR purposes. There are two factors in this: one is the influx of all the Asian and Indian engineers you get a lot of these emotionally wooden, kind of robotic personalities in these companies - they work like machines, and what has happened is that they set the bar at these inhuman levels where it’s virtually impossible for Anglos to compete. The other is that tech companies have this kid-employee fetish where they claim it’s to get the latest generation of employee, uncorrupted by previous corporate politics and in reality it’s so they can exploit eager workers who will sell themselves into wage slavery just so they can stop eating Top Ramen. People who work in this business surely will know what I’m talking about but I suppose to the rest of you it will sound a bit strange or maybe even racist or ageist. I can only assure you it’s not, and it’s a cultural phenomenon I’ve observed over the 15+ years I’ve been in the industry.

Anyway, anxiety in this new paradigm is a professional liability - and I never had major problems with it, however, I have battled anxiety for much of my life - even as a child, so I think I have been a bit blase about the whole thing.

I want to share an experience I once had, in which I made the mistake of telling one of our C- level executives (this was at a start up) about my anxiety problems, because it was affecting my ability to perform at work, and I am pretty sure that while he never shared this information with anyone else, I believe that it permanently altered his perception of me as an employee, that I wasn’t reliable or tough enough, or what not. Even though I was an extremely dedicated employee, and in fact the anxiety was in large part work related - partly to the stresses of my job, in which I was literally working 3 shifts a day covering customers on 3 continents. In any case, I am convinced to this day that most people would have cracked under the pressure. The anxiety was causing me some disturbing physical symptoms which of course made me even more anxious - until my doctors and I were able to figure out that the cause was the anxiety itself. Once I was convinced I wasn’t actually ill, I got better quite rapidly and haven’t had any relapses and in fact am much better at managing anxiety and actually avoiding it.

And maybe here’s another thread entirely, regarding life/work/stress balance: try to avoid putting yourself in extreme situations such as that. For me, since I had worked at other startups, in high pressure conditions, I figured I could handle anything. The mistake I made was in not taking into consideration the fact that my life had changed since I had been in those other high pressure environments, and I had more stressors and responsibilities in my personal life than I did back then- and it was just too much. In my line of work, confidence is an asset , but it can also be a liability in your personal life. Don’t figure you can handle everything - you CAN, but only to a certain point. Everyone has their limit. Knowing that limit, which requires a fair amount of introspection and self-assessment, is tricky. And really busy people often don’t have the time, or feel they can’t take the time. You *have* to make time for yourself. Very important. I don’t want to say to look out for number one, because that’s so cliche.but please.look out for number one.


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Thanks for that post Fantom. It’s so true about the benefit of having a friend higher up that will have your back. At the college I originally went to, I became very close with the Dean of Freshmen, and we have kept in contact since then. I’ve kept it completely real with him the whole time. When things have gone shitty and I was talking to him, I told him. I told him about me going to rehab. I told him about problems I was having with my health. I told him the WHOLE story. I always believed that telling someone the whole story, if things end up turning out well for you, will always produce as good a result as skipping the bad parts, if not better. Now, when I tell him in a couple months about how my life has completely changed, how I’m a new person that’s more motivated than ever, he’s going to believe me. He’s going to know that a genuine change has come over me and that things ARE different, and that I’m not just saying they’re different.

However, like he and I have discussed, and as Fantom mentioned, I probably shouldn’t include in my re-application essay descriptions of drug binges I went on. I’m only going to talk about how I’ve overcome my health problems and changed my life. The Dean will know the truth and help verify this for the rest of the board (which I have to get unanimous approval from to return), which will help me get back in (I hope!).

I do need to learn to keep my mouth shut sometimes. I’m so used to being in therapy, to talking to other addicts or close friends, that I speak freely, but now that I’m beginning to turn things around, there are some facets of my life I need to keep to myself.

Being honest to yourself is very important. Being honest to others who you know can and will help you is equally important. But for me, I haven’t been honest to my psychiatrist (even though he has gone out of his way to help me get my license back) because I have other pressures from wife and friends/parents to get back my license due to serious financial constraints. I guess this is following Fantom’s (looking out for number one) approach?

They have persuaded me to get my license first and then to be honest with him. I’m not sure if this is the best approach, because he may just get pissed off at me and lose my trust. I’m very bad at figuring social stuff like this out. I was also told that I should call my College about my addiction/abuse and that seems to have been a mistake. But I’m not sure either. I hate social stuff. It confuses me, big time.


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In my experience, it’s best to be completely honest with therapists/psychiatrists. You say the medication hasn’t helped you? Right? Well, if you explained that you felt you needed something more, perhaps he might give you something different that would help. I understand the pressure to get your license back and start making money, but I think being honest and receiving as much help on your way to getting your license back will give you the best chance of succeeding once you do get it. For instance, you don’t have to say, “I’m going to completely freak out and be unable to function under such and such a scenario”, you just need to communicate the idea in different terms; saying things like “I want to be prepared for such and such to occur, so I feel we need to make steps in this direction.”

If being dishonest is helping you get your license but also hindering your progress, I think it will hurt you in the long-run. I think you can be HONEST - ENOUGH to get the best treatment, while still clearing yourself for your license. Just make sure when he asks those questions that you know are going to be big red flags, to say no, lol, even if the answer is yes (if you think you need to get your license that bad).

Am I making sense? I feel that I’m really good at communicating with people, especially therapists, considering I’ve been going through therapy since I was 18 months old.. So if you feel you want to kind of go over some scenarios where you’re uncomfortable about how well you’re going to perform, but you need the therapist’s approval, perhaps you can get some feedback from myself and other members like iamaru and Fantom on how to approach it? Just a thought.

Very interesting article on opioids and opiophobia. Any opinions?

“However, our present restrictive definitions of mental illness, and the technical challenges posed by large-scale genetic-rewrites, make germline gene-therapy seem a pipe-dream for now. In the present era, lifetime pure dysthymia afflicts far too many people; and periods of “mild” anxiety, malaise and depressive episodes blight the lives of hundreds of millions more. Meanwhile countless victims of chronic pain-disorders are condemned to a life of needless suffering by institutionalized opiophobia. Victims of the most unspeakable, spirit-crushing neuropathic or central pain are liable to be fobbed off with pain-management courses - “helping you to manage your pain” - rather than given the potent pain-relief they deserve. For with a bit of creative psychopharmacology, both the tolerance and adverse side-effects of chronic opioid use are manageable even with today’s crude agents. Thanks to tomorrow’s biotechnology, the real obstacles to curing the nasty side of life are set to become doctrinal, not technical. Suffering of any kind is due to become optional. It remains to be seen how quickly the ideological baggage of the past can be overcome.”

http://opioids.com/


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My opinion is I agree.

We all have our coping mechanisms: coffee, Oprah, romance novels, TV, alcohol, porn, pills…

Now, I don’t know how many people have died of an Oprah addiction, or reading too many romance novels, but I resent that certain drugs are off limits to me because *some* people have fucked it up.

If I were a chronic pain sufferer instead of an anxiety victim, I would be doubly pissed off.


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Cigarettes are legal and addictive and they kill the smoker and those around the smoker. This kinda of inconsistensy really pisses me off.


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