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Propecia problems?

Originally Posted by Dino9X7
Well big update I’m back on Propecia and not for the reason of my hair because my hair was doing fine. It’s an experiment to see why at the same time I went off Propecia my blood pressure went up. I need to know if it was just chance or it was somehow connected maybe to the crap I was rubbing on my scalp. Or maybe going cold turkey off Propecia isn’t a great idea. One of the side effects of minox is high blood pressure and I was using the 15% so maybe that could be the cause. So I went back on I still had a couple of months worth and I want to see what happens when I stop rubbing the crap on my head and I don’t want to lose my hair while doing this. I’m also curious to see if the Propecia was somehow responsible for my change in blood pressure. Sure it could be just a natural thing I needed to lose some weight but it was just weird that I went form boarder line low blood pressure to high blood pressure pretty much overnight.

Things I noticed back on Propecia, a smaller flaccid and my sex drive has decreased. It’s only been four days so I’m going to see what happens. So far no change on the blood pressure well maybe a little better but I can’t say for sure. I’m going to try it at least for the next month and see if it makes no difference I will ween myself off and resume my scalp routine.

Dino,

Good luck with the experiment and getting the high blood pressure back to normal. I actually thought that minoxidil was originally used to lower blood pressure, not raise it. Of course, I have no experience with the 15% mix. One thing I’ve done since last November is to use the 5% Rogaine foam for the first time. I like it much more than the original 2% Rogaine that I stopped using years ago in 1998 when I switched to propecia. With the 5% Rogaine foam, I’ve had noticeable hair regrowth in three slightly thinned out areas that weren’t helped by the propecia. Also, I’m still taking my reduced half dose .5 mg of propecia.

Peforeal


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Originally Posted by vanburen
Once you stop , and restarted Did you notice any massive shed / and or lack of re-growth from massive shed?

Nope maybe a little thinning when I first went off but honestly I think I was getting better results from the stuff I was rubbing on my head.


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Originally Posted by peforeal
Dino,

Good luck with the experiment and getting the high blood pressure back to normal. I actually thought that minoxidil was originally used to lower blood pressure, not raise it. Of course, I have no experience with the 15% mix. One thing I’ve done since last November is to use the 5% Rogaine foam for the first time. I like it much more than the original 2% Rogaine that I stopped using years ago in 1998 when I switched to propecia. With the 5% Rogaine foam, I’ve had noticeable hair regrowth in three slightly thinned out areas that weren’t helped by the propecia. Also, I’m still taking my reduced half dose .5 mg of propecia.

Peforeal

You are right on that it is suppose to lower blood pressure but if you already had kind of low blood pressure to begin with I was reading information like this. The stuff I was using was 15% so that may be just too strong for me I’m going to wait and see what happens and than reintroduce the foam or the normal strength one. I was very happy with the hair results of the 15-5 product I was taking.

MadSci Network: Medicine
Query:
Re: Why would Rogaine give chest pains?
Date: Sat Apr 14 11:32:28 2001
Posted By: G. Monreal, Staff, Cardiothoracic Surgery , The Ohio State University
Area of science: Medicine
ID: 986263013.Me Message:

Hello Eric! Thank you for your question.

You asked: “Why would Rogaine give chest pains? It’s listed as one of the
rare side effects… I’m curious as to why in the world a topical solution
would give someone chest pains? What are the interactions of the chemicals
which cause sensations of pain in a different part of the body? Is it
serious or damaging?”

***The following information is not presented as medical advice by MadSci
or G. Monreal and should not be taken as such. All the information
summarized and explained below can be found in further detail on the
following excellent websites:
www.regroe.com/works.html
www.rxmed.com/monographs2/minoxi.html

Rogaine contains the ingredient minoxidil, which is a vasodilator. A
vasodilator works to lower blood pressures by relaxing the peripheral
vessels and increasing perfusion of the tissues. This relaxation decreases
the resistance inside the vessels and creates an overall decrease in
systemic blood pressures. If the pressures drop too much, the body will
compensate by increasing the heart rate in an effort to maintain
appropriate circulation, and the body may also retain fluids in an effort
to add more volume to the circulation (which increases pressures).

Vasodilator —> Relaxation of the peripheral blood vessels —> Decrease in
systemic blood pressure ———— if pressures drop too much, then: Low
pressures —> Increased Heart Rate and Retention of Fluids —> Blood
pressures come back up

Vasodilators are used to help lower blood pressures in people who have high
blood pressures (hypertension) by reducing the afterload on the heart, so
the heart doesn’t have to work as hard to pump the blood through the body.
OK, how do they help?

Here’s an analogy:
Imagine taking a mouthful of water and trying to blow that set volume
through a coffee stirrer in a fixed amount of time. The coffee stirrer is
very, very narrow (has high resistance), and you will have to work very
hard to blow all the water through in enough time. The pressures inside
that straw as the water pushes through will be very great, and you will be
tired afterwards (you are the heart). This situation is comparable to
someone with high blood pressures.
Now, imagine that you have to blow the same amount of water in the
same amount of time through a regular drinking straw. The straw is wider
(like a dilated vessel), and the resistance inside is lower, so you will
not have to work so hard to push that water through, nor will you be as
tired afterwards (you, as the heart, will appreciate not being as tired!).

Now, what does all this have to do with minoxidil??

Back in the early 1980’s, minoxidil came onto the market as a drug for
lowering high blood pressures. Scientists and doctors theorized that since
it is a vasodilator, it should dilate the blood vessels in the scalp,
perfusing the scalp tissue with oxygen-rich blood and nutrients in hopes of
stimulating the growth of new hair follicles and encouraging cell division
of the hair matrix cells, producing thicker strands.

So why is one of the extremely rare side effects of minoxidil chest pains?

If someone is already taking antihypertensive medication for high blood
pressure and decides to use minoxidil, in theory the addition of this
second pressure-lowering agent could drop the blood pressures lower than
they need to be. Likewise, someone in congestive heart failure may already
have low pressures to begin with. Their heart is already beating faster,
and the body is already retaining fluids in an effort to maintain
pressures. Adding a vasodilator to that mix could, in theory, make the
situation worse by lowering pressures even further (and thus encouraging
the heart to beat even faster and the body to retain even more fluids).
How do chest pains develop from all this? When pressures get too low for
whatever reason, and the heart is unable to perfuse it’s own coronary
vessels adequately, regions of the heart can become ischemic as the oxygen
supply to that area is reduced. The heart then switches from aerobic to
anaerobic respiration, and toxic by-products accumulate (such as lactic
acid), leading to fatigued heart muscles and chest pains.

Hope this information helps to answer your questions!

Sincerely,
G. Monreal

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archive…57610.Me.r.html


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Well guys my pressure seems a lot better than it was but I’m not sure if it’s the Propecia or not rubbing the 15% minox on my head. I also confused myself further by buying something called coenzyme-A from the vitamin shoppe. But anyway I can actually feel my blood pressure being more normal but not in the low normal I want it in yet.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Hope things work out for you Dino. To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if minox was somehow screwing with your blood pressure. I HIGHLY doubt being off Finasteride had anything to do with it.

Maybe try going back to Revivogen, Nizoral and regular 5% minoxidil once a day? Remind me again what your loss pattern is like. Can you name a celebrity that may have the same pattern? Some products help certain types of loss better than others.


"Look what your brother did to the door!"

Dino,

I’ve been on proscar 1/3 tabs for several years. I have been having erection issues as well. I also have to work my ass to not gain fat around my waist. Proscar has helped me keep my hair, but now after reading this thread, I feel maybe it’s the cause of my ED problem.

My question is this: I looked on a website that sells Revivogen. Do you have to use all of the serums, etc.?

I was going to try the new Rogain, revivogen and Nizoral to see if I could keep my hair. Any help would be appreciated.

Kcee

Guys

I’m totally confused:) . It’s funny after I went back on the Propecia my pressure went down but I also started taking a supplement so it could have been that. So right now I’m not sure of my next step but I can tell you this much I’m not happy about my drop off of my sex drive since going back on it. I do remember when I first started I did have a major drop off that leveled off in a while so I’m wondering if that’s the case again. Also I can tell I’m not having a great blood pressure day so it may be back to drawing board. I really thought I had it nailed and I might have found a natural cure with this stuff coenzyme-A because for like a week I was Zen man I could just feel my pressure at the perfect levels but yesterday it felt a little high and today also.

kcee

I was having great results with Rogain, revivogen and Nizoral. But I was using the 15%-5% from Gen hair

Leather

My hair is receiding in the front like a V but I caught it before it got bad in fact some guy told me the other day he wished he had my head of hair dam if he only knew the headache I have keeping it. I caught my hair while it was thinning not when it was gone I seem to thin the worst on the left side which is strange.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

I have the V front too, it sucks but at least the v keeps you from looking completly bald. The temple recession worsened for me in recent months

Oh man I hate the V. Well is more like an M, but still, I wish the women would have this problem not the guys. We struggles we some many problems. Now, after 30 we have another thing to worry about. The V…..

I could have been the poster child for Propecia it worked so well for me. However, the side effects just didnt work for me anymore. The weight gain, ED and other issues can also come from age, a slowing metabolism and HBP. All I can tell you is after six months off the stuff, I have not lost any hair, my ED issues are easing and I have been able to work out 3-5 days a week and actually lose weight which I hadnt been able to do in the last two years. I have also noticed that my PSA tests are coming back with a higher number than I had previously though.


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Alright update being back on it my sex drive is off about 5-10% which I don’t like but can live with to keep my hair and my blood pressure down. My blood pressure has been much better since of the topicals I will reintroduce the genhair 15-5 in the future to see if the lower blood pressure is from being off that or being on the new supplement coenzyme-A. Every once in a while I still seem to have a high blood pressure day but they are few and far between and mt stress level is extremely high. As far as my hair it’s doing great but it was doing great off the Propecia when I was just rubbing the crap on my scalp. I’m still using the revivogen that doesn’t seem to bother my blood pressure levels.


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Dino

Can you undoubtedly say that Revivogen helped you equally as well as Finasteride?


"Look what your brother did to the door!"

Originally Posted by 789
I could have been the poster child for Propecia it worked so well for me. However, the side effects just didnt work for me anymore. The weight gain, ED and other issues can also come from age, a slowing metabolism and HBP. All I can tell you is after six months off the stuff, I have not lost any hair, my ED issues are easing and I have been able to work out 3-5 days a week and actually lose weight which I hadnt been able to do in the last two years. I have also noticed that my PSA tests are coming back with a higher number than I had previously though.

I am heavy rice eater, and always had a belly since 19 but let me tell ya once I got off propecia I have LOST alot of weight.propecia—>Less testosterone —> more weight -> more female like weight

Weight loss and testosterone are negatively correlated, even Merck says it’s a side effect, but I don’t know how you can argue then that propecia doesn’t lower your t levels.

Feel like a regular guy now.to each his own though

Originally Posted by Leatherface
Dino

Can you undoubtedly say that Revivogen helped you equally as well as Finasteride?

When I combined it with the other stuff I was using the genhair 15-5 and nizoral shampoo it was working great. I really didn’t try it on it’s own but I have a few years ago and it did work but not as good as this mix.

Vanburen

I agree with the weight lost thing Propecia does lower DHT which does seem to have something to do with weight lost because when I went off I was losing weight a lot faster than now with the same diet. I may go off again sometime in the near future if my weight lost stops. Buts it just so much easier popping a pill:)


I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

Originally Posted by vanburen

propecia—>Less testosterone —> more weight -> more female like weight

As I said in your other thread, with backup abstracts from PubMEd, finasteride does not lower testosterone, it raises it.

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