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It seems to me that if the theory is correct, then avoiding all DHT boosters while on finasteride would be the way to go. Aren’t you trying to get the receptors to be super sensitive to DHT by depriving them of it? Once you stop finasteride, PE away and see what happens.

People do not lose penis size from finasteride as far as I know. I am thinking of posting this on the hairlosshelp.com forum to see if anyone has noticed anything regarding penis size. I don’t need to mention PE, just ask if anyone has experienced any changes in size after stopping fin.

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What benifit does DHT have for a body builder?

Body builders use dht to “harden” their muscles, drop fat, and to increase vascularity.

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Why would you take DHT with finasteride?

Body builders prone to male pattern baldness would take finasteride in a building phase, i.e. while taking steroids or prohormones. Some from this set would take dht in a cutting cycle.

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We will see how it goes. Oh, do a search on penis size and catration and you’ll see that many men complain of this. Now, if DHT didn’t matter after puberty, why would castration cause shrinkage?

I have done the search previously, when jones came to this site. I’m convinced that T and DHT are essential for maintaining a healthy penis.

I’m 43 years old and was shocked to find last year that my measured size had decreased significantly – this is why I came to this site. Jelqing and kegals restored me to my previous size.

Why did my size recover without taking exogenous T or DHT supplements?

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Body builders prone to male pattern baldness would take finasteride in a building phase while taking steroids or prohormones. Some from this set would take dht in a cutting cycle.

Your reaching a bit with this one. I know some of the BBers arent the smartest people in the world but I would hope they aren’t going to use DHT if they have problems with hair loss.

Yes, 3alpha is used for cutting but how often? No very often I would think. Especially if the just used Finasteride because their hair is falling out.

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People do not lose penis size from finasteride as far as I know.

http://www.hairsite7.com/m552finas1…52/000000dd.htm
http://www.haircountry.com/_forum/000001fe.htm
http://www.hairsite7.com/m552finas1…52/00000099.htm

Like I said, I am going to try this. I have studied this for over 4 months and believe that this is the best way to attempt this. Men don’t like to talk about their penis (most men atleast) and size variances can sometimes go unnoticed.

“Why did my size recover without taking exogenous T or DHT supplements?”

Fibroblasts.

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Your reaching a bit with this one.

Perhaps.

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Yes, 3alpha is used for cutting but how often? No very often I would think. Especially if the just used Finasteride because their hair is falling out.

In your previous reply to me, you seemed unaware of dht’s use as a bodybuilding supplement, which serves to undermine the credibility of the above quoted statement.

From a purely logical consideration, I agree not many individuals with male pattern baldness will be taking dht precursors. However, a building phase may take many months – years for some individuals. A cutting phase may take only weeks and probably worth the risk for most competitive athletes.

If I were a serious bodybuilder today, I would take finasteride and minoxidil while taking T, and then suspend finasteride use while on dht – seems like a logical procedure to get the maximum lean muscle mass while minimizing hair loss.

Hmmm. 3beta converts to DHT at roughly a 9% clip, while 3alpha conversion is at 40%. My credibility with you isn’t my concern.

Testosterone is a PH, in all rights, and it will either convert to DHT or Estrogen. Are you implying that BBers would rather have Estrogen than DHT? Seems to me that you would definatly have a few sides if you did it that way. Oh, estrogen is a catabolic.


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“Why did my size recover without taking exogenous T or DHT supplements?”

Fibroblasts.

Why couldn’t it be androgen receptor upregulation induced by mechanical stress?

I guess it could. PE is a relative unknown.

What I don’t want is a 50+ page thread filled with controversy. So, I will post my results after the cycle.


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Testosterone is a PH, in all rights, and it will either convert to DHT or Estrogen. Are you implying that BBers would rather have Estrogen than DHT?

No and you should know the implication wasn’t there. Your constructing a rebuttal to an argument I haven’t made - this is a logical fallacy known as a straw man.

We’ve strayed from the topic and you seem to have gotten your shorts all bunched up. I simply asked some straightforward questions and observed that it’s possible your “stack” has already been tried.

I value the exchange of information and to learn from that exchange – that’s why i’m here. I’ll disengage now.

“If I were a serious bodybuilder today, I would take finasteride and minoxidil while taking T, and then suspend finasteride use while on dht – seems like a logical procedure to get the maximum lean muscle mass while minimizing hair loss.”

Is this not what would happen if you block 5ar while using AAS? I have not got my shorts in a bundle. You questioned my credibility and I questioned yours.

Has someone tried my stack? Maybe, thats a possibility.

I questioned the credibility of one of your statements, not you.

I’m a scientist. I’ve been shown my fallacies for over 20 years; it’s a necessary component of learning.

Cya,

What PH are you using?

Anyone else care to comment on(if this works) which PH would work the best?

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