All I’m saying is that I’ve gained 1 1/8 inch in 3 months. Most of that time, I was on some type of T/DHT precursor. All of the ones I used were transdermal and I didn’t gain at all for the first 2 weeks. I use a rapid cycle method and used tribulas to insure my testi’s continue to produce testosterone.
Take it or leave it because I’m assuming I’m not the only one to have gained this fast. I never stopped doing my routine except for the first few days I used 4ad. I never thought of this as more than a way to supplement the routine.
Jones is the one that convinced me that gaines could be had without the routine. I never experienced this myself. From my stand point, the Sups made all the difference in the world. From others, it may not be this way.