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Cialis or Viagra for recreational use.

Having been on it for about 10 days, I can only give a reasoned conjecture. I have some Ceebis from www.alldaychemist.com that I think is about 10 mg of cialis/tadalafil. That source no longer sells to America. Judging by good nighttime wood last night after I took a Ceebis tablet yesterday, I would think the Kitsnmore is less potent than the Ceebis. On Kitsnmore, I get a floppy in nighttime wood. Its early to make conclusions. I am going to get a prescription for Lilly 20 mg cialis from my urologist and will be evaluating it all more.

Ddog, all my Kitsnmore cialis precipitates and I do shake the dickens out of the stuff before I take a dose. All I can tell you guys is do everything you can to protect your erectile health. Aging is the pits but I am thankful for the meds that are on the market. Newsweek reports that Europe already has in their pharmacies several new drugs that are under FDA consideration. Hopefully your future will be brighter as you approach my age and beyond.

I have never read a definitive answer on what is the liquid in liquid C. Someone speculated peg 40 (polyethylene glycol), but I don’t know. Kits sells the peg, so that is a pretty good bet. I emailed them once to see if they would give me a recipe for turning powder to liquid, but they didn’t respond.

Thinktank, one thing I have noticed and others have mentioned as well, is that the liquid C seems to be strongest on the day after you take it. Maybe something about the liquid gives it more of a delayed reaction, or less of a peak effect but more of a long lasting effect. I don’t know since I don’t have that much experience with the pills, but those are things to consider when doing a comparison. So for example, you might feel a really good effect from real Cialis an hour after you take the pill, but 24 hours later, maybe it is a little weaker, whereas the liquid C has actually gotten stronger after 24 hours.


Horny Bastard

Thanks Mravg: Most men that I have talked to online and otherwise do acknowledge that their reaction to cialis is best the day after they take it. Flaccid hangs are better on that day and erectile response is better also on that day. I am beginning to think that I got a dud batch of the kitsnmore. So far, it has given me little of the symptomology I get from taking even the alldaychemist cialis from India. I am still going to be patient experimenting with the Kitsnmore stuff. I saw your post on the drug in your system. I agree with you that cialis can give our bodies a boost for four days. I have found that to be so in my experience. Avocet and the literature state that for the first 36 hours, the drug is in our bodies at maximum dosage. For the next 36 hours, the effect is half dosage. After that, there can be lingering effects of the drug depending on the dosing regimen undertaken. My endocrinologist handed me a bagful of cialis three years ago and told me to take 20 mg every 72 hours. That dosage turned back the clock in my life at least thirty, maybe forty years. It upped my libido and made me as spontaneous as a teenager. I guess that experience is why I am so personally inquistive of how much of the drug (what mg) I am putting into my body.

C. is more effective for me the next day as well. It doesn’t even kick in for maybe 10 hrs, whereas on V I’m ready to go in 15 min.. My doctor suggested dosing every 48 hrs because of the long kick-in I experience. This worked well for a couple of weeks after which I was “stacking” and had too much of the stuff working all the time.

You have to experiment with these PDE5 drugs if you need them. We are all chemically different and bring different degrees of erectile function to the table. Or, bed. :)

To clarify what T tank said above, the “half-life” of Cialis is about 17 hrs. which means that 17 hrs later you still have half your dose working. If you took 20 mg, you have 10 mg still going for you at that point, which is more than enough for most guys even with ED.

These are averages. A guy who is a fast metabolizer would not get so long a run.


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avocet8

Yes I’m finding with my Liq C from Kitsnmore that it sneaks up on you. No good taking it an hour or so before you need “mr Woody”, need to give it time to work. But, of course, everybody’s different. I’m still tinkering …trying to work out the right dosage. One day I take 1ml, the next two I take 0.5ml. Don’t want to overdo it but I DO like the effect!

And a ps. One reason I got the C was that I was told it helps flaccid hang. So far that seems to be the case but this Easter weekend will be a warm one where I am so I’ll be off to the nude beach….this will be the first time I’ve used it there so a good test for this theory!

I am surprised at your observations thinktank. A lot of guys here have tried the liquid C and I don’t think I have read anyone saying it is weak or not very effective. If you find that pills work much much better, than perhaps you did get a bad batch.

What is the largest dose you have tried? A full ml should be safe but be enough to give you an excellent response, I would think.


Horny Bastard

Mravg. As bad as I hate to confess it, I think the difference for me and other guys who have posted is that I must admit that I have age related e.d. I know without any of the Ceebis, Eli Lilly real cialis, or V, I have no nighttime hards and getting an erection for sex takes lots of foreplay and arousal. Sometimes, without any help from meds, my erection wilts in sex especially in woman on top, a position my wife loves.

The real cialis and the generic Ceebis both make me hard quickly causing me to respond like you younger men respond in sex. These give me nighttime hards and the real 20 mg cialis manufactured by Lilly can give me spontaneous hards like a teenager. My point is that having e.d, the 2/3 ml touted by Kitsnmore to be 20 mg of tadalafil is like taking nothing. The jury is still out on a careful appraisal. I have been taking the stuff only for about 10 days or so.

Sorry to beat the same drum repeatedly. Hats off to all of you guys who really need no help and find the Kitsnmore stuff so envigorating. Enjoy it and dont let me dampen any of your special joys using the stuff. I just need to keep looking for what is the best dosage for my body—which I will do.

Avocet: Thanks for coming to my aid and straightening me out. I defer to your expertise. However I do agree with Mravg that the effects of tadalafil can remain in a mans body for over 72 hours. Both my endocrinologist and my general practitioner recommended 20 mg of cialis once every 72 hours to me. Some men have personally reported that taken at that dosage, cialis builds up in the bloodstream after 10 days or so making us older guys respond much more like our younger years. I have found that to be true for me. Does the literature support the anecdoctal evidence on this point, Avocet. Thanks for your input here.

As I said above, the literature reports average responses. These are based on extensive field trials of the drugs (V, C, and L) on many hundreds of men, not annecdotal reports.

In the case of Cialis, Icos-Lilly found that 36 hrs of effect is about average for men with ED, hence the advertising: “The weekend drug.” But there is a lot of annecdotal reporting of guys having response for much longer than that. For me, still there are still a lot of nocturnal erections 5 days after taking even 10 mg. I just wish the stuff did not take so long to kick in for me. :)


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avocet8

Hope you get things straightened out thinktank. I’m over-the-hill myself LOL, 53 nearbouts. Sometimes even the liquid c doesn’t really help things out. I’ve been struggling with a very low libido lately.

Originally Posted by thinktank
Avocet: Thanks for coming to my aid and straightening me out. I defer to your expertise. However I do agree with Mravg that the effects of tadalafil can remain in a mans body for over 72 hours. Both my endocrinologist and my general practitioner recommended 20 mg of cialis once every 72 hours to me. Some men have personally reported that taken at that dosage, cialis builds up in the bloodstream after 10 days or so making us older guys respond much more like our younger years. I have found that to be true for me. Does the literature support the anecdoctal evidence on this point, Avocet. Thanks for your input here.

I tried the every 72 hours thing about two years ago. What I found out was that the first couple of doses did ok but after that I wasn’t feeling anything at all the longer it went on. I started getting the placebo effect in other words.

Maybe thats what I’m going through form1, just a non-feeling non-re-action period.

It is actually quite common for medication to “poop out” say to loose effect after some time, sometimes completely and it even happens after a astonishing long time of working well. Uping the dose will then mostly lead to excessively strong sideeffects and only minor restoration of the wanted ones. Sadly also a pause will often not give back the impressive effects the drug had when used before.

A usual method out of this dilemma - works often but not always - is to augment the drug from start or after a pause with a similar but slightly different one. In this case this would be Viagra or Levitra I suppose. Augmentation means that in addition to the dose which worked fine for starters a very small dose of the related other drug (often a dose under the threshold of effectivity) is given. 10mg to 20mg Cialis every second or third day and 6mg to 12mg Viagra every day comes to mind, but thats just by thumb and must be adjusted to the individual case, starting low is essential.

Good luck

Originally Posted by mravg
I have never read a definitive answer on what is the liquid in liquid C. Someone speculated peg 40 (polyethylene glycol), but I don’t know.
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Water? I did some search for the solubility of tadalafil and found that it is soluble in dimethylformamide and in water, the solubility in water being strongly dependent on the temperature, so you really should not store it in the fridge. It seems to be also quite stable - temperatures of 80°C to 140°C being common in synthesis and workup/purification so no big issue with 25°C to 35°C and then it should nicely dissolve, if not - just add more (distilled not deionized) water.

Tadalafil is told to be almost insoluble in methanol so I am not sure if ethanol (alcohol) will work well.

Whatever the liquid is, it is certainly not a solvent for the tadalafil. The liquid C is a suspension, not a homogeneous liquid. I don’t think it is water, because it doesn’t taste like water, and I would have a concern that water would create an unstable solution. It is only slightly soluble in water according to the Lilly prescribing information.

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Tadalafil has the

empirical formula C22H19N3O4 representing a molecular weight of 389.41. The structural formula

is:

The chemical designation is pyrazino[1,2:1,6]pyrido[3,4-b]indole-1,4-dione, 6-(1,3-

benzodioxol-5-yl)-2,3,6,7,12,12a-hexahydro-2-methyl-, (6R,12aR)-. It is a crystalline solid that

is practically insoluble in water and very slightly soluble in ethanol.

http://pi.lilly.com/us/cialis-pi.pdf


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