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>Both before PE and now, I had/have a large amount of elastin fibers in my penis, otherwise known as a ‘grower’.<

1.) How did you determine this?? Just because you are a grower means you have lots of elastin fibers?

>But with 5-7 inches of flaccid hang, I think I am a grower and a shower.<

1a.) One can be both?

>No. The ligs do not have very much elastin. The shaft generally has the most elastin which provides the contraction of the penis. The amount varies widely between races.<

2.)Expound on this please… (the races part)

>When you speak of elasticity, I think of the connective tissue made up of elastin, and referred to as elastin. OK? <

3.)Connective tissue meaning ligs, tunica, or what?

>The following is probably your situation: First, you had shorter tough collagenous fiber as related to elastin fibers. IOW, the elastin fibers were not taking much stress when stretched. So then, you hang, and all the load is taken by the tougher fibers which elongate. As the tougher fibers become longer, the elastin fibers come into play more and more making your penis appear to have more spring. <

I would agree with this…

>I assume you are a shower?<

As long as we have the same definiton of a grower and a shower…tell me yours?

For the most part no, definitely a grower…My penis tends to retract alot, especially when cold. BUT, when i hot wrap or step out of the shower, I have my best nice long flaccids, especially since hanging. I can already tell my flaccids are a little longer, but they still retract…Hoping to become a shower/grower or just a shower.

4.) Curious, why did you think this?

4a.)What does being a grower or shower say about one’s fiber make up and quality,

4b.) and how can we apply this to benefit the hanging experience?

5.) It seems from porn, etc. alot of black men are showers, eh? Sort of what you were saying with the race thing earlier?

>Ok. IMO, the strength gained over time; the ability to resist fatigue and soreness and injury; plateauing in gains, is both a good and bad thing. Good in that I could actually see my penis becoming healthier with the work. More vitality. Better circulation. Everything better. However, with this increased strength, more stress was required to cause tissue failure to cause further gains.

An analogy would be starting a workout program with a max bench of 100 lbs. Then working for six months and maxing at 200 lbs. You are in better condition, but future gains become tougher.<

6.) Sabe. You attribute hanging to some vitality and circulation increases? It seems hanging might cause the opposite, for obvious reasons, but that’s good to know…….

>Well, the actual elasticity, the difference between ‘stretched flaccid lenght’ and ‘simple flaccid length’ should not increase tremendously. This would be a factor of the degree of elasticity of the elastin fibers. The tougher collagenous fibers should determine the amount of total erect gains, and stretched flaccid gains. This is if the elastin fibers are not a limiting factor, and I would not think they are for the vast majority of guys.<

7.) You mean the difference from gains would be proportional to what it is now, right? So (for Example only) if I was 2.5 flaccid and 5 stretched I could expect to be 5 flaccid and 10 stretched??

7a)If this true, one could predict their Erect measurements, and Flaccid measurements from their increases in FSL measurements right?

There’s that famous quote again: “Listen to your body.”

Okay, got ya.

>OK, I’m tired now.<

Rest….more will come….hehe


"The world is a one way mirror. What they see, is what you see. What do you want people to see?" Women. If you're going to swing...swing for the fucking fences. "The reasonable man insists on adapting to the world. The unreasonable man persists on having the world adapt to him. Therefore, all progress in the world is made by the unreasonable man." "Success is not a surprise."


Last edited by bigblackstick : 10-25-2002 at .

bbs,

OK, the cramps are out of my fingers now. This is pretty good stuff. You need to start other threads on subjects with your unique slant. Maybe it can help others. One at a time though.

>1.) How did you determine this?? Just because you are a grower means you have lots of elastin fibers?<

Yes, I was originally one inch flaccid and would grow to almost six inches erect. That shows the difference between the elastin fibers and collagen fibers. The elastin stretch tremendously, and the collagen fibers are almost a brick wall. The true gains come with stretching or growing the tough collagen fibers.

>>But with 5-7 inches of flaccid hang, I think I am a grower and a shower.<

1a.) One can be both?<

Well, this is in the eye of the beholder. I think 5-7 inches flaccid is ‘showing’, and when erect, extending to 10.5 is certaintly ‘growing’.

>>No. The ligs do not have very much elastin. The shaft generally has the most elastin which provides the contraction of the penis. The amount varies widely between races.<

2.)Expound on this please… (the races part)<

It seems races that stem from hotter climates have much less elastin than those from colder climates. The theory is, bodies of those in colder climates developed to where the penis would contract saving body heat and protecting from the cold.

>>When you speak of elasticity, I think of the connective tissue made up of elastin, and referred to as elastin. OK? <

3.)Connective tissue meaning ligs, tunica, or what?<

Well, connective tissue is all over the body. The ligs and tunica are both made up of varying types of collagenous connective tissues. Elastin is simply one type of connective tissue.

>>I assume you are a shower?<

As long as we have the same definiton of a grower and a shower…tell me yours?<

Well, I would term someone who goes from two inches flaccid to six erect a grower. Someone who goes from five inches flaccid to six erect would be a shower. I guess maybe if the increase from flaccid to erect was greater than 100%, that would easily be a grower.

>For the most part no, definitely a grower…My penis tends to retract alot, especially when cold. BUT, when i hot wrap or step out of the shower, I have my best nice long flaccids, especially since hanging. I can already tell my flaccids are a little longer, but they still retract…Hoping to become a shower/grower or just a shower.

4.) Curious, why did you think this? <

From the theory that you stretched the tougher connective tissues to allow the elastin fibers to come into play, making your penis more springy. The assumption was your elastin fibers were either longer, or fewer, or whatever.

>4a.)What does being a grower or shower say about one’s fiber make up and quality, <

A grower has more or shorter elastin fibers that retract the penis when flaccid. A shower has fewer or longer elastin fibers which do not retract the penis much when flaccid. I don’t think it makes a difference in quality.

>4b.) and how can we apply this to benefit the hanging experience?<

Beats me. Except to realize what type of penis you have, which fibers or bundles you are stretching at any one time and what you can expect from it.

>5.) It seems from porn, etc. alot of black men are showers, eh? Sort of what you were saying with the race thing earlier?<

Yes.

>6.) Sabe. You attribute hanging to some vitality and circulation increases? It seems hanging might cause the opposite, for obvious reasons, but that’s good to know…….<

It absolutely did for me. The penis adapts to the stresses imposed on it. When hanging weights, the vessels are stretched and therfore constricted along their length. The body tries to compensate and still pump blood to the entire penis. The only way to do this is to enlarge the vessels.

Of course, this is physics also. The constriction of the vessels causes an increase in pressure which causes the enlargement.

>7.) You mean the difference from gains would be proportional to what it is now, right? So (for Example only) if I was 2.5 flaccid and 5 stretched I could expect to be 5 flaccid and 10 stretched??<

No, I would expect the difference to remain about the same. IOW, 2.5 inches.

>7a)If this true, one could predict their Erect measurements, and Flaccid measurements from their increases in FSL measurements right?<

For me, no. My stretched flaccid increased tremendously after I started hanging, with erect gains coming behind. I still have an inch or so greater stretched flaccid than erect.

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Bib, yes the shocking feeling was acute. I guess I must have overdone things that week because when I reach fatigue, I tend to grit 5 more minutes with the same weight. No pain, just a good fatigue stretch. I was doing so well that week. Bigger flaccids, harder erections. Infact, I went from 22 lbs to 17.5 lbs after using the hot rice sock method. Fatigue was coming quicker.

Will start again next week, but will not overdo things. Probably will hang 12.5 lbs for 10 mins and just do more sets. Will see what happens.

BIB

>OK, the cramps are out of my fingers now. This is pretty good stuff. You need to start other threads on subjects with your unique slant. Maybe it can help others. One at a time though.<

I take this as a high compliment. Thank you. Other threads like what though? What else is there besides hanging? hehe

>Yes, I was originally one inch flaccid and would grow to almost six inches erect. That shows the difference between the elastin fibers and collagen fibers. The elastin stretch tremendously, and the collagen fibers are almost a brick wall. The true gains come with stretching or growing the tough collagen fibers.

Well, I would term someone who goes from two inches flaccid to six erect a grower. Someone who goes from five inches flaccid to six erect would be a shower. I guess maybe if the increase from flaccid to erect was greater than 100%, that would easily be a grower.

A grower has more or shorter elastin fibers that retract the penis when flaccid. A shower has fewer or longer elastin fibers which do not retract the penis much when flaccid. I don’t think it makes a difference in quality.

Beats me. Except to realize what type of penis you have, which fibers or bundles you are stretching at any one time and what you can expect from it.<

1.) Let me rephrase the question: Based on the classification of either being a grower or a shower and their obvious “predicted or assumed” fiber type make up that accompanies this, can we use this to predict the type of gains one can expect from hanging?? And for the sake of simplicity please exclude heart, desire, etc. I already have that and read your posts on “how bad you want it,etc.” hehe

For example, an athlete shorter in stature (under 6 feet) will have an easier time excelling at Olympic sprinting, bodybuilding, power lifting, etc. for obvious reasons, and an athlete who is extremely tall, will have an easier time at excelling at sports like basketball, volleyball, etc. Sabe?

What I am getting at is just like my other “angle theory” (yes, I acknowledge it as a theory) I believe there are certain rules or methods one must follow based on their body type for success. A grower’s routine would be different from a shower’s routine, but all grower’s routine would be similar to an extent.

People might wonder why I am always so interested in these things. Its simple, really. I believe any one can gain, like I always say. Its figuring out what works or will work for you. If perhaps all the people who were hanging exclusively between the cheeks with little or no progress would have simply switched angles, than they could have probably saved themselves time, agony, and sanity. And probably got some decent gains in the process.

Success is a science. It is not complicated, but rather it takes time to uncomplicate it and make it simple again. I know of a strength coach who says if you are not going to get either stronger or increase your muscle size every workout, then you shouldn’t even bother going back to the gym. He guarantees progress every workout. I agree, and look at hanging the same way. The fact is this is such a new field, so cutting edge, with little data or background to go off of. So we must create it, we are all pioneers in this thing. A little off topic, but you get the idea….

I hope in doing so, we can come up with some guidelines for people, to save them time, and sanity.

I believe the reason you were successful, is because based on your dick’s parameters you did the exact program what would work for you, whether you knew this would work or made changes accordingly beforehand or not. I know this seems like a simple statement, but it is. We are not talking about walking on water here. If you’re not gaing month after month, you are doing something wrong. Look at it like this, if you didn’t gain last month, with the same routine, why do you think you will gain this month? If you want a different result, you must change the stimulus.

In short, I’m saying before one even thinks about under going a hanging regimen or workout, one should analyze and assess the mechanics of their dick, instead of just firing away at will. When you are doing it right, it will come…faster than you think. One should figure out what will work for them, and anything extraneous to that, is simply that: extraneous.


"The world is a one way mirror. What they see, is what you see. What do you want people to see?" Women. If you're going to swing...swing for the fucking fences. "The reasonable man insists on adapting to the world. The unreasonable man persists on having the world adapt to him. Therefore, all progress in the world is made by the unreasonable man." "Success is not a surprise."

bbs,

>1.) Let me rephrase the question: Based on the classification of either being a grower or a shower and their obvious “predicted or assumed” fiber type make up that accompanies this, can we use this to predict the type of gains one can expect from hanging?? And for the sake of simplicity please exclude heart, desire, etc. I already have that and read your posts on “how bad you want it,etc.” <

I don’t really think the grower or shower designation makes any difference as far as gains, or what type of routine would be best. The elastin fibers are what determine this, and I don’t see them as a limiting factor. Not only do they stretch on a single event basis, but I think they are easily stretched over the long term. I believe they retain their elastic qualities because of the ability of the human body to heal. That is why they still retract after a long hanging regimen, even though in a much longer state.

Ex. You can stretch and stretch a rubber band, and soon, the static length of the band is much longer. However, it will still stretch more when a force is applied. The elastin fibers in the body are different, in that they can heal to allow retention of their full elastic effect.

>What I am getting at is just like my other “angle theory” (yes, I acknowledge it as a theory) I believe there are certain rules or methods one must follow based on their body type for success. A grower’s routine would be different from a shower’s routine, but all grower’s routine would be similar to an extent. <

I think this theory has much more potential than the elastin theory. It makes good sense.

>People might wonder why I am always so interested in these things. Its simple, really. I believe any one can gain, like I always say. Its figuring out what works or will work for you. If perhaps all the people who were hanging exclusively between the cheeks with little or no progress would have simply switched angles, than they could have probably saved themselves time, agony, and sanity. And probably got some decent gains in the process.<

I agree and look forward to your posts. That is why I want you to look at all the ‘tenants’ of hanging and come up with questions and discussion of the merits or lack thereof. It is the people who question standards that make the progress.

>I hope in doing so, we can come up with some guidelines for people, to save them time, and sanity.<

Yes, but they must realize that all we can provide are guidelines. Nothing concrete.

>I believe the reason you were successful, is because based on your dick’s parameters you did the exact program what would work for you, whether you knew this would work or made changes accordingly beforehand or not. I know this seems like a simple statement, but it is. We are not talking about walking on water here. If you’re not gaing month after month, you are doing something wrong. Look at it like this, if you didn’t gain last month, with the same routine, why do you think you will gain this month? If you want a different result, you must change the stimulus.<

Yes, I made many many changes. That is why I said you have to master the art of adaptation to be extremely successful.

>In short, I’m saying before one even thinks about under going a hanging regimen or workout, one should analyze and assess the mechanics of their dick, instead of just firing away at will. When you are doing it right, it will come…faster than you think. One should figure out what will work for them, and anything extraneous to that, is simply that: extraneous.<

Right.

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BIB

>I think this theory has much more potential than the elastin theory. It makes good sense.<

I agree after further review. I think the other one is very strong.

>I agree and look forward to your posts. That is why I want you to look at all the ‘tenants’ of hanging and come up with questions and discussion of the merits or lack thereof. It is the people who question standards that make the progress.<

OK, let’s look at them. Why don’t you give me a list of the “tenants of hanging” in a new thread and I’ll start some questions and dialog on them…..

>Yes, but they must realize that all we can provide are guidelines. Nothing concrete.<

I agree, but “effective” guidelines are better than nothing.


"The world is a one way mirror. What they see, is what you see. What do you want people to see?" Women. If you're going to swing...swing for the fucking fences. "The reasonable man insists on adapting to the world. The unreasonable man persists on having the world adapt to him. Therefore, all progress in the world is made by the unreasonable man." "Success is not a surprise."

bbs,

>OK, let’s look at them. Why don’t you give me a list of the “tenants of hanging” in a new thread and I’ll start some questions and dialog on them…..<

Hey, no fair. My mind is scrambled about this stuff. I am the one that needs direction. If I could simply start out writing and come up with the topics, I would have already done it.

Just look at some of the covered topics and pick things that you wish to explore. One at a time.

No way could I ever make up a list of the tenants of hanging.

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