>But, you can be sure that a lot of guys read this thread exactly the way I did. I don’t like to see all this strife between you guys.
It seems unnecessary. <
I agree. That is why it seemed time for resolution, which can only occur with communication.
>Bib. I admire you for your dedication to your product and to your customers and hangers in general. I understand that your hangers are no longer in production, perhaps it is reasonable for Tom to promote his design to help fill the gap for would be hangers. <
I agree. That is why I have advised guys to build Tom’s hangers.
>But I do agree with Bib that there are certain guys that don’t have the time resources or talent to fashion thier own hanger so it is fair game for Bib to go after this market. <
Bib never went after any market. I produced hangers because guys on PEforums asked me to. If I had it to do over, I would have told them to fuck off and forget about it.
You see, all of the ideas concerning this type of hanging have been written about over the last three years or so. The first things mentioned about the prototype Bib hanger were the lateral compression, rather than a circular compression, and the lack of pressure on the top of the penis, especially behind the head. Also, the increased amount of circulation. That was the prime purpose of the hangers. Seanjacobs, Phat, Soma, and many others can verify this.
Tom has taken the basics of the ideas, and turned it into something that anyone can use. I verified to him in emails that the analogy of the hand principle is what I used in designing my hanger. I have always had a tough time explaining how to build anything, or how it works. Tom is exceptional in this regard. So his coming up with ways to put together a cheap, workable hanger is simply magnificent and unique and should be hailed.
Had I been able to put it together in my mind, and explain the instructions for building one for free, I would have done so. I simply do not have the talent that Tom does.
Having said all that, there are some problems with the design, and I imagine this is the reason some guys are having problems with it. The old everyone is different, no two penis’ are alike. It has to do with pivot points, etc.
It is true that designs very close to the AFB were tried by me during ‘99. They did evolve over time into the Bib. To say that the AFB is a refinment is simply absurd. I have always supported Tom, and the AFB. My questions are simply concerning why he has attacked the Bib, when his impetus and a certain knowledge came in a couple of little brown boxes, given freely.